Can I ripple four GBU-27 while lasing?
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OK I’ve done this in 4.33 and now 4.34. The bug I’ve noticed is if you drop 2 2,000lb LGB at once it doesn’t work. 2 separate launches and it seems to work.
I’ve done successful 2 GBU-24 hits on 2 targets in 1 pass, 4 would be a stretch.
Fly at about 20,000ft, slow, auto laser on 30 secs, drop first GBU, about 5 secs later drop second GBU, as soon as first hits move target pointer to second target. Works for targets fairly close together.Good gouge!
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I even often used 2 seconds spread. If you have both target groups already in TGP.Not safe IRL I imagine:-)Cheers Obi1
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There are some real vids during Desert Storm and Bosnia wars showing hitting same targets (mostly larger ones, factories, bridges, bunkers etc) with 2 GBU’s in short ripple, fired from the same host…
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As some others posted before, it’s indeed a valid tactic of which plenty of evidence can be found on the internet. Reasons I can think of might be availability of weapons/platforms, time sensitive targeting, avoiding collateral damage (e.g. multiple GBU-12’s in series on one DMPI will likely cause less collateral damage than a single GBU-10). I ripple LGB’s quite often, especially during one-pass NOE loft attacks therefore I really hope this issue can be fixed in a next update, as well as two other bomb related issues (already present in 4.33):
- JDAM/WCMD bomb acceleration/deceleration after release
- Release sequence of bombs on TER’s (in Ikaros theater for 4.33 this is correctly modeled)
Nonetheless, I’m very gratefull for all the work that everyone puts into this great sim!
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There are some real vids during Desert Storm and Bosnia wars showing hitting same targets (mostly larger ones, factories, bridges, bunkers etc) with 2 GBU’s in short ripple, fired from the same host…
Could be two different laser codes with two JTAC designating two different DMPI near each other.
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As some others posted before, it’s indeed a valid tactic of which plenty of evidence can be found on the internet. Reasons I can think of might be availability of weapons/platforms, time sensitive targeting, avoiding collateral damage (e.g. multiple GBU-12’s in series on one DMPI will likely cause less collateral damage than a single GBU-10).
“multiple GBU-12’s in series on one DMPI will likely cause less collateral damage than a single GBU-10”
This is right.
Is it about simulates drop? … and are they talking about laser trap and laser diffraction/absorption by dust clouds? … What happens if the seconds hit few seconds after the fist impact … ? … will the collateral damages be less if the 2nd fall off target because it lost laser spot … ?
I am LBGs qualified. I don’t know about other counties procedures/countries, but personally, yet I won’t play “that game”. (That being said, I don’t have much experience on it yet)
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Could be two different laser codes with two JTAC designating two different DMPI near each other.
I have at least 1 active F-16 pilot confirming 2 GBU’s on 1 DMPI is an actual used tactic IRL at the moment in a certain air force.
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I have at least 1 active F-16 pilot confirming 2 GBU’s on 1 DMPI is an actual used tactic IRL at the moment in a certain air force.
Does he also confirm simultaneous drop? (or short interval not waiting the dust could dissipates).
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Does he also confirm simultaneous drop? (or short interval not waiting the dust could dissipates).
IIRC 2 separate pickles, not 1 ripple.
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If they come from the same plane, is currently unknown to me.
Depending on wind, coming from two different angles it may be different => 2nd is less susceptible to be “masked”.
IIRC 2 separate pickles, not 1 ripple.
Needs more info. Two separate pickles mean “almost everything”.
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Few things to consider IRL about LBGs … when I am talking about laser trap, there is not only the aspect as described in MCH-F16 Vol5
… the shapes of the target (dome, circular pillar, tower, bridge … etc …) have some considerable effects on laser spot diffraction an reflection. Ground albedo, water, sand … dust, hase/ moisture has also big effects.
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Take a look into 8.10.3 Laser-Guided Bomb Operations of the Korea_BEM_Vol5.pdf located into … :\Falcon BMS 4.34\Docs\05 Other Documentation\Real Manuals
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In all the cases where LGB’s have been dropped in pair or in ripple, critical information is missing. (Laser codes, illuminated by how many sources etc)
According to the document I link below, it is very well possible but with two bombs or more with each one it’s one code and the target being illuminated by four different laser sources. A.valid tactic for some air forces but I can only imagine how carefullnest and how much procedures are involved.
https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/smart/docs/p34-3.htm
Must also depend on scenario and study of collateral damage., ROE etc etc
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Hello mate!
According to the document I link below, it is very well possible but with two bombs or more with each one it’s one code
Where … ? … I only see mentions about two designation (which is the rule quite often).
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Hello mate!
Where … ? … I only see mentions about two designation (which is the rule quite often).
Hello!
It is not specifically mentioned but when reading it and understanding.it it is for me.the only way. Different sources.
It reminds me that sometimes there are unwritten rules, because you can doesn’t mean it is safe to do.
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Please read Combat Aircraft Volume 16 number 7. There’s an article about the Emerald Knights where a pilot describes he ripples 4 GBU-12’s in a loft attack and designates himself. I’ve attached some images from the article:
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see post 25
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Regardless of if LGBs should or shouldn’t be released in pairs or ripple, the fact that the 2nd bomb was going AFU is a bug, so that bug was fixed for next Update.
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Salvo drops are not prohibited.The physical structure of the target may require more than one weapons to achieve the required damage.
It also provides a degree of redundancy to cater for the failure of a weapon, but reduces the number of DMPIs that could be attacked. In this case , the weapons are dropped with spacing between them and not in a pairs. The spacing needs to be minimal though to avoid the designator losing tracking following the first explosion and the laser spot moving up the smoke plume of the first detonation.