Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?
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@tdr said in Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?:
Today I was flying at 1000 feet and while dropping two MK-84s I was hit by fragments from the explosion. Damn, is there by any chance a table with the radius of bomb explosions?
Thank you
While there are no exact tables, the blast damage window in BMS depends on your speed/altitude in relation to your impact point. 1,000 feet is generally a minimum height for even high drag bombs, that being said you should be travelling at nearly full military thrust setting speed or better with afterburner. Low level drops like you are doing can be very dangerous under the best of conditions, hence why most real world pilots will do a dive toss.
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FYI, the manual of Dash34 p470 explains about that.
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@tdr Are you sure you turned the drag on. Default setting for drag bombs is off.
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@Icarus Of Course YOU would know that! I’m glad I read this post!
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@Icarus - general rule of thumb is: high drag -> low angle delivery; low drag -> high angle delivery.
The consideration is height of burst vs downrange travel of the aircraft. A RL TACMAN has charts which allow planning for this…commonly referred to as “daisy plots” because of the way they are drawn - height and distance of frag from point of impact vs seconds from burst. They sort of “blossom”.
Using these one can determine required frag avoidance altitude based on the delivery speed (read - downrange travel) at seconds from release.
Unfortunately, we don’t have this planning info in our manuals. -
@Stevie Thanks but I was not asking about getting fragged. OP was. I just thought he might not have turned on high drag in sms page.
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@Icarus - yes. I always try to address the whole thread…back to the OP question. Not just a single post.
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A few words: when you select MK-84 AIR via text message you are already in air mode and it is therefore not necessary to activate it.
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Blast fragmentation radius grows to 3,700 feet over 7 seconds for most of the bombs last time I checked.
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@Stevie said in Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?:
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Unfortunately, we don’t have this planning info in our manuals.We have. Page 471-472, -34
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@Micro_440th said in Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?:
We have. Page 471-472, -34
Which Manual? I dont find any manual with 472 pages.
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@tdr Look in your manuals folder, under C:\Falcon BMS 4.37\Docs\02 Aircraft Manuals & Checklists
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@tdr
“\Falcon BMS 4.37\Docs\02 Aircraft Manuals & Checklists\01 F-16\TO 1F-16CMAM-34-1-1 BMS.pdf” -
@tdr Or open Alternative Launcher and click on documentation and manuals: open docs folder
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@tdr Or on the home page of this website which is nice because you can read them from anywhere you have internet access.
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@Micro_440th said in Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?:
@Stevie said in Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?:
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Unfortunately, we don’t have this planning info in our manuals.We have. Page 471-472, -34
Which release? The -34 included with 4.37 only has 350 pages…sure would be glad to se these, even though two pages is FAR less than what would be presented ini a TACMAN.
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@Stevie
Stevie, they are right.
take a look into here:
C:/Falcon BMS 4.37/Docs/02 Aircraft Manuals & Checklists/01 F-16/TO 1F-16CMAM-34-1-1 BMS.pdf@For all
Sorry guys, I didn’t take a look inside this file. My fault. -
@tdr said in Fragments from the explosion: how high to fly?:
@Stevie
Stevie, they are right.
take a look into here:
C:/Falcon BMS 4.37/Docs/02 Aircraft Manuals & Checklists/01 F-16/TO 1F-16CMAM-34-1-1 BMS.pdf@For all
Sorry guys, I didn’t take a look inside this file. My fault.Yes - that’s what I looked at…but given that the -34 is included with every release, I wouldn’t doubt that it has been revised over the years - at least I’d hope so. The current one in 4.37 is only 350 pages long, and when I searched it on “frag” none of the information we’re looking for (specifically “daisy plots” of any kind) is in there…but that doesn’t mean it may not have been in there at some point…I’d think.
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@Stevie The latest version is 609 pages. Can’t remember when during 4.37.3 release it was published, initially or with one of the two hot-fixes. Has a lot more A-G info (among other things)
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@Stevie Sure you are not looking at the the 4.35 docs? 🤭