Unsolved Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B
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new to falcon bms as interested in flying the Harrier.
Im using the latest version 4.37 updated and found when in the cockpit of the harrier/Av-8b there are some cockpit controls missing.
Parking break switch, Jfs Switch, ext light POS switch, landing light switch and the int light consol switch.when i hover over them they do work but cant tell from the cockpit if they are on or off. Is this a bug or have i missed something.
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If there are hotspots and clicking on that hotspot has an impact and “sound” there is a function implemented. It might well be, however, that the switches aren’t animated and in such a case you have no visual feedback on the switch state. This might well be true for some other cockpits.
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@Hellpluss I never flew the harrier a lot but those are planes that are not full fidelity (unlike the F-16 and the F15C soon). All the switch are not clickable. But maybe you can find a shortcut for it in the doc.
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@Hellpluss said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
new to falcon bms as interested in flying the Harrier.
Im using the latest version 4.37 updated and found when in the cockpit of the harrier/Av-8b there are some cockpit controls missing.
Parking break switch, Jfs Switch, ext light POS switch, landing light switch and the int light consol switch.when i hover over them they do work but cant tell from the cockpit if they are on or off. Is this a bug or have i missed something.
I suppose it will be the same problem that happened with the EF-18M, I think that after the move from 4.35 to 4.36 new assignments were created and some cockpits were not updated. I was in charge at the time of fixing the cockpit of the Spanish Hornet. I’ll take a look at the Harrier cockpit files as soon as I can to confirm if it’s the same case.
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@Hellpluss said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
new to falcon bms as interested in flying the Harrier.
Im using the latest version 4.37 updated and found when in the cockpit of the harrier/Av-8b there are some cockpit controls missing.
Parking break switch, Jfs Switch, ext light POS switch, landing light switch and the int light consol switch.when i hover over them they do work but cant tell from the cockpit if they are on or off. Is this a bug or have i missed something.
Hi. That sounds like a 3dbutton.dat issue. It’s fixed in the OFM Theaters but maybe not yours. Take this https://www.mediafire.com/folder/7lmk0vn9ah3ay/AV8(ver.7.4.21-restored+hotspots+and+kneeboards) and put it in x/4.37/data/your theater/art/CkptArt/your jet’s folder. Backup the two dat files to your desktop or where ever and replace them with the ones from the download. The 3dbutton.dat is the main thing. The 3dCkpt.dat does wing view and other things. If you don’t like the changes(if any), you can put the stock 3dCkpt back in.
This will bring back your hotspots, plus give hotspots for kneeboard. -
@Dardo_01 hi, slight thread hijack but do you know where I can get information about the current state of “other” a/c controls and flight models? The ramp start procedure currently included in BMS for the a10 is woefully inadequate!
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IMO, the single most suitable jet for a full-up, hifi, inclusion to BMS would be the Harrier - because there is so much info out there about it, and most of the callback needed are already in BMS and/or could be re-purposed for the Harrier pit within existing code.
Personally, I’d like to see a Night Attack one…but a Radar one isn’t out of the question. Lots of work, but not near as much as trying to do an Eagle.
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@Hellpluss said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
Is this a bug or have i missed something.
Nope. It’s not a bug, just N/I. But here’s what can you do, it is my workaround but it works, you can try if you like it.
- check all missing commands and assign keys to direct functions - not! toggle functions ,…
- eg . JFS1 = ctl shf j , JFS2 = alt shf j , JFS_OFF = shf j … etc. for all missing switches
- only, that way you’ll need to remember or print key - list
- no worries, after 10 ramp starts it will already get into memory
- as plus, keys will work in any pit
Cheers
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@Stevie said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
IMO, the single most suitable jet for a full-up, hifi, inclusion to BMS would be the Harrier - because there is so much info out there about it, and most of the callback needed are already in BMS and/or could be re-purposed for the Harrier pit within existing code.
I would love to see some work done on the Harrier but understand the workload the Devs already have today, so I’m not complaining at all. I’ve mapped pretty much all I need to my Warthog to fly comfortably in both AV-8B and AV-8B+. Perfect aircraft for TASMO missions imo but a little under-powered for A-A combat. I have a list of bugs that could be “fixed” or improved including glitches on the WASP but unless someone intends to work on them, it seems a little pointless to post them.
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@Kavelenko - now that you mention the WH, I’m left wondering if you can’t use one of the throttles as a Nozzle lever…that would be a “work around”.
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@Stevie said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
now that you mention the WH, I’m left wondering if you can’t use one of the throttles as a Nozzle lever…that would be a “work around”.
It would be ideal if someone could create an axis for the nozzle lever, I would then map that to my friction lever as I do in DCS. AFAIK nozzle control is solely via keyboard short cuts or mapping them to switches on the HOTAS.
On my WH, I mapped the nozzles to my Mic switch using the pinky as a shift modifier, so pinky shift + Mic Up gives me VTOL Exhaust Inc, & pinky switch + Mic Down gives me VTOL Exhaust Dec.
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@Kavelenko - actually, I’ve seen a few really good 3D printed Harrier throttle quadrants both here and around the web…just have to search them out. And have a 3D printer.
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@Kavelenko Yes they are just inc/dec callbacks, currently.
I remember being curious – in the RL jet is it a fine-grained (analog) axis – or is it coarse-grained / notched, the way it’s modeled it with the callbacks?
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@Stevie said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
@Kavelenko - now that you mention the WH, I’m left wondering if you can’t use one of the throttles as a Nozzle lever…that would be a “work around”.
K, here are some things I do for Harrier HOTAS
- Map the nozzle position callbacks as unshifted functions on the trim hat.
- Map the “Alt Flaps EXTEND” and “NORM” as shifted functions. This emulates the STOL and CRUISE flight modes switch. If memory serves control+3 gives you a flap display that shows Alt Flap status.
- Using Voice Attack, create a "STO Button " command, mapped to a HOTAS button. This command just moves the nozzles 5 positions to 50% for take offs.
BTW, the BMS Naval Ops Manual has some good stuff on the Harrier.
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@airtex2019 - in the RL jet the Nozzle lever has a Stop that can be set in increments - 5 or 10 degrees, as I recall. For takeoff the STO Stop is set based on GWT and temperature of the day to perform a Short Takeoff as required.
For landing the STO Stop is stowed clear of the Nozzle Lever. It’s also possible to lift/pull the Nozzle lever over the Stop to override it. With the Stop clear of the Lever the Nozzles can be set/positioned continually for VIFFing…though tactically that’s really not as useful as one would think.
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@drtbkj - A Harrier should have three Flap switch positions:
- UP/AUTO
- CRUISE
- STOL
As I recall, CRUISE Flaps actually reflex a bit - i.e.; trailing edge slightly elevated.
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@drtbkj said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
K, here are some things I do for Harrier HOTAS
- Map the nozzle position callbacks as unshifted functions on the trim hat.
Not an option for me because I have Trim Reset, Wing Fold Up, Wing Fold Down, & Trim F-18 T/O for un-shifted trim call backs but not only that, I found that a little awkward for precise nozzle control.
- Map the “Alt Flaps EXTEND” and “NORM” as shifted functions. This emulates the STOL and CRUISE flight modes switch. If memory serves control+3 gives you a flap display that shows Alt Flap status.
Already doing that and I agree its very handy for STOL flaps control.
- Using Voice Attack, create a "STO Button " command, mapped to a HOTAS button. This command just moves the nozzles 5 positions to 50% for take offs.
Yes, already doing that too.
Anyone had any ideas around creating an axis for the nozzle lever, maybe using TARGET software perhaps? I would gladly sacrifice my radar antenna axis for a nozzle control axis.
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@Stevie said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
@airtex2019 - in the RL jet the Nozzle lever has a Stop that can be set in increments - 5 or 10 degrees, as I recall. For takeoff the STO Stop is set based on GWT and temperature of the day to perform a Short Takeoff as required.
For landing the STO Stop is stowed clear of the Nozzle Lever. It’s also possible to lift/pull the Nozzle lever over the Stop to override it. With the Stop clear of the Lever the Nozzles can be set/positioned continually for VIFFing…though tactically that’s really not as useful as one would think.
@Stevie said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
@drtbkj - A Harrier should have three Flap switch positions:
- UP/AUTO
- CRUISE
- STOL
As I recall, CRUISE Flaps actually reflex a bit - i.e.; trailing edge slightly elevated.
All, true, Stevie. In BMS , however, there is no STO Stop or UP/AUTO modeled . You’re also right about STO and GWT.
GWT is a big factor in STO’s . What I had found , with GWT at 22-24K, was to set the nozzles at 10 deg down on the takeoff roll , and using the STO Stop to bump it to 50 at the ramp. Then gradually decrease to zero, then go to CRUISE. I’m curious if others have found something better. -
@Kavelenko said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
@drtbkj said in Cockpit buttons Missing AV-8B:
K, here are some things I do for Harrier HOTAS
- Map the nozzle position callbacks as unshifted functions on the trim hat.
Not an option for me because I have Trim Reset, Wing Fold Up, Wing Fold Down, & Trim F-18 T/O for un-shifted trim call backs but not only that, I found that a little awkward for precise nozzle control.
I got to thinking, after I read this, what about using Voice Attack for nozzle control in cases you don’t have sufficient HOTAS buttons? As in, “Nozz zero” through “Nozz 90” commands
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@drtbkj Yes this can easily be done, but there’s nothing worse when Voice Attack doesn’t recognize your voice command, and you’re yelling into your microphone as you hit the water lol.
Good idea to map them to a keyboard press or HOTAS button imo.