Hud-projection mod
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Greek F-16CJ
HAF F-16CJ+
Unknown, I assume Turkish AF F-16CJ or USAF F-16CJ HUD
F-16CG USAF
And so on…I really could prove it further.
Also check what other modern Air Force jets like the Rafale or latest Hornets have…yes, tinted HUDs, correct.;)Chrs…if there is irregularity in terms of F-16s not using tinted HUDs it would rather be the exception.
So far I have only seen HAF F-16s and F-16CGs with violet tinted HUDs, rest darkish.
No tint, only results for that I found is for earlier F-16A/C+ and IAF F-16s as per IT team’s info.
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10 minutes search over ViperPits would save you dozen of hours searching for pictures and try to understand whats going on… I’ll be back later.
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The circle on the first pic looks like a reflection of the projector glass thingy?
Exactly.
It does look a bit darker but not colored.
Yep … or just a bit darker … as he want. It is just in order to render the polarized glass. so, violet, pink, purple, brown … I do not really care … just have something rendering the glass “opacity/tint”
And there is no yellow circle with the HUD on and looking directly into it
This is just a question of reflexion and where the sun is … that’s all. I have a HUD in my C-160, the reflexion of the lens (circle) is sometimes visible, sometimes not… depending on “sunlight” direction. By night, the glow is depending on HUD’s brightness setting, but if it is visible, is means that brightness setting is too hight.
@Fatcap … Please, just add a small tint to the glass, purple or just grey/brown … whatever… But nothing more than you’ve already done please! No other extra reflexion of canopy or anything else! I would be very pleased if you could do that for us!
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The canopy has a coating to absorb radar ie make sure the pilots smile doesnt return radar i guess that can have a tint that could be reflected on the hud?
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Greek F-16CJ
Tom very similar HUD color can be seen on IAF F-16Is and it’s somewhat misleading. I’ve walked several times around the aircraft and the apparent tint changes with perspective / lighting from magenta to green to clear. From the pilot’s perceptive AFAIK it is clear. IAF F-16Cs don’t show this tint from any angle and again from the pilot’s perspective are clear.
These are all F-16Is - notice how the tint changes with perspective and lighting:
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the color thing is covered already and if I’m not mistaken its included in ITO latest update… sorry cant recall the modder, i believe its in my Arty’s hot list thread, and at the all mods thread…
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the circle IMHO still is too big compared to real HUD photos. Make that one smaller and it rocks.
Hey Tom thanks for the suggestion but as I said that was a compromise made to consider for those who can’t utilize 6DOF. If it were made smaller, unwanted clipping of the symbologies under default frontal view would occur which definitely won’t be nice. On a side note I think MLUs as in Deejay’s pic have a slightly different HUD system compared to US Block 50s (smaller projector?), I can’t justify that with hard fact so anyone who knows please feel free to correct me.
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Yo Deejay you’re right, all HUDs have tints. But the thing I’m concerned about is whether you could really see/notice it against bright sky/cloud when you’re up in the air sitting at design eye… I think when viewed from the ACES II, USAF B50 tint won’t be that much pronounced compared to the Greek Viper’s. So my personal opinion is to leave the tint as subtle as possible or not to have it at all.
Anyway, here’s a version made by one of my squadron mates GR. The glass has a pale tint, do you consider it spot on or a bit too much?
Below’s for easy comparison…
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Here’s the HUD mod V2:
http://www.mediafire.com/?4hz80hlf1z6inzb
Let me know of what you guys think.
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Good morning there,
IMO each of you gents can make his own mind as to which would be the ideal tint by simply checking this thread’s pictures and videos, they speak for themselves.
Then the only decision to be made is if the ideal BMS version would be the standard USAF tint (or non tint, depending on what you believe) or the pink version. Since BMS models the F-16CJ the MLU variants or earlier Blocks are pretty much irrelevant.I find the version your friend made quite convincing, fatcap. Keep up your good work.
Also there is no reason why your work on the (e.g.) 3993.dds cannot be combined with any of either your or other modder’s 8005.dds.Cheers
Tom
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Dee-Jay: In the combined upload a few pages earlier where I combined some of FanOfBMS432’s 8005 and 3993.dds and fatcap’s 3993.dds as well as my attempt, there is one 8005.dds, mildly dark to pink tinted, which IMHO so far has both the best colour and HUD shape (no reflection tint or reflection change). That one combined with fatcap’s new work might be the solution. Wish FanOfBMS432 would have more time these days, he was/is really up to something great. -
PPS:
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Dee-Jay: In the combined upload a few pages earlier…”http://www.mediafire.com/?c1xckii41hv7hnm
“8005. and 3993.dds”
In there…“FanOfBMS432 2”
Good Luck, that stuff is pretty much above my paygrade as far as editing is concerned. If fatcap, FanOfBMS432 and JanHas stuck together, they’d surely make the ideal HUD and reflections.
JanHas made some very awesomely cool reflections for FreeFalcon/Open Falcon and fatcap is a real pro on the 3993.dds, FanOfBMS did incredibly detailed art on the 8005.dds.
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I’m in operation in Africa. Military web access do not allow me to go on mediafire.
I need you to send me file to my Email … check PM
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PLEASE RIGHT CLICK AND OPEN IN NEW WINDOW AND ZOOM IN (LEFT MOUSE) TO SEE THERE HARD WORK ON DISPLAY!
What about one for this GUY?
/me Bows to this project Many Many Thanks.
Tj
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Dee-Jay, I send you a pm…later today.
Cheers…
Thorst.
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TwoJay - there seem to be about 50 different versions of versions mentioned in the past 23 pages.
Please let me know WHICH of the HUDS (i.e. link or “version of version”) is featured in your lovely screens…?
To my untrained eye, it looks pretty much dead-on.
Cheers, Arapr0n.
P.S. Are you Northside or Southside Brizzy…?
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@Ara’:
TwoJay - there seem to be about 50 different versions of versions mentioned in the past 23 pages.
Please let me know WHICH of the HUDS (i.e. link or “version of version”) is featured in your lovely screens…?
To my untrained eye, it looks pretty much dead-on.
Cheers, Arapr0n.
P.S. Are you Northside or Southside Brizzy…?
Same - I tried the one linked on the previous page and it didn’t match TwoJays. Looking for the one TwoJay has…
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Me as well!
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This is the version I use in IT. Can be doanloaded some pages earlier.
The above looks cool as well IMHO.
Cheers
Tom
Sort of low res shot.
PS: More or less dropped flying Falcon to minimum. Please someone who knows me (Frits, Ramster22, anyone) send me a mail in case FanOfBMS432 pops in and finishes his mod…thanks in advance.