F-14D Cockpit
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I agree at full burn!! Pls keep going with the project, i am looking ffwd to taking off from the carrier with this beauty in a clickable pit.
I have been visiting Pensacola Navy Museum, and the gate guardian…. is an amazing f14A… The sexiest plan ever built, i agree!
Pvi_PanteSt
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I have been visiting Pensacola Navy Museum, and the gate guardian…. is an amazing f14A… The sexiest plan ever built, i agree!
Pvi_PanteSt
Nice, I was stationed at Pensacola in the early 80’s for my MOS training. Loved it. Great party town!!!
RAM22
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Bouncer = Tomcat
Town = Party
Location = FL
…I’m sold.
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Any progress mykinge? Very interested, and as many are, really anticipating a release
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I hope this one makes it to the next update, together with the hornet.
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bump
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Architectural development is time consuming job. First hand experience here…deadline, deadline, deadlines everywhere
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If someone ask me to share LODs which can be exported from my MOD, is it allowed to share?
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Just said interesting…
I agree the article seems a bit biased but you just need to take the parts you want
I personally liked to learn a bit more about the Iranians Tomcats!
Pepe
you publish the pit as soon as you can I will tell you some thing( but not restricted or classified information because I don’t know them too :lol: :mrgreen: )
I know a F-14 Tomcat retired pilot of IRIAF .he dogfight with 13 Iraqi Aircraft & forced to push more than 11G( more than F-14 limit) to evade their missile (his Boots blow & his tummy Sprain(wrench) his both meniscus teared (both internal & lateral) both (him & RIO’s) helmets Flaw & …) and in Dog fight due to very low altitude dog fighting 3 of them crash to water & others escaped . this action is recorded( not as video as document) . he is ACE . from his words I figured that this F-14 currently flying in BMS is not correct. the real cat is much more maneuverable than this. now he Surgery his legs more than 13 time . now when he type some thing from his arms till palm of hands Numb & many other …. . Peoples see a pilot maneuver and do loops & … then enjoy and wish to be fighter pilot , they never see other side of coin . the painful & hard side.
Heydar
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you publish the pit as soon as you can I will tell you some thing( but not restricted or classified information because I don’t know them too :lol: :mrgreen: )
I know a F-14 Tomcat retired pilot of IRIAF .he dogfight with 13 Iraqi Aircraft & forced to push more than 11G( more than F-14 limit) to evade their missile (his Boots blow & his tummy Sprain(wrench) his both meniscus teared (both internal & lateral) both (him & RIO’s) helmets Flaw & …) and in Dog fight due to very low altitude dog fighting 3 of them crash to water & others escaped . this action is recorded( not as video as document) . he is ACE . from his words I figured that this F-14 currently flying in BMS is not correct. the real cat is much more maneuverable than this. now he Surgery his legs more than 13 time . now when he type some thing from his arms till palm of hands Numb & many other …. . Peoples see a pilot maneuver and do loops & … then enjoy and wish to be fighter pilot , they never see other side of coin . the painful & hard side.
Heydar
The current flight model (from some basic flight tests i made) seams to be more or less based on the official open source manuals. The problem is, it is modeled as that regardless of the current configuration. I.E. the big Turkey should be able to hit 800 knots at sea level, when in clean configuration or with 2 sidewinders on stations 1 and 8, even when full on fuel and with the TF-30 engines. However if you take clean Tomcat right now and dash the sea surface at most you can do is mach 1.16 which is the speed limit given for the 4XAIM-7 and 4XAIM-9 as given in the manuals. The acceleration magically stops there as if you had hit a wall. This is just one example. Another would be the AoA limiter, which didn’t exist as such on the A and B models. Even the D’s didn’t get digital flight control till the mid 90’s which restricted their alpha capability by a significant margin (not that it mattered since by then they were mostly moving mud). Even if you click Shit-C and disable the AoA limiter in BMS, the F-14 stalls above 32-33 degrees and although it does not go into a flat spin, recovering from this stall is sometimes an odd process. In reality the the transitional buffet did not start until 30+ degrees while in BMS it starts at 25. The airflow did not become fully separated well above 50 degrees, while here it does so around 35 degrees. Without an engine flameout or differential control input the plane would not depart even under these extreme conditions unlike in BMS. There is probably more, way more that can be corrected. Still, the model does some things right. You can pull more then 8g in some circumstances and the sim allows it.
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Lots of great info in a single post Mike, thanks a lot!
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yw mate
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The current F-14A Falcon is far away from accurate.
BTW, there is no way to “disable” the AoA limiter in BMS, so I do not understand what has been said previously.With 4 AIM-7 & 4 AIM-9, and a GW of 53,873lbs, a F-14A can reach M1.26 at 5,000ft (766 Kts CAS) and its Design limit is M1.4 (850Kts CAS)
For this configuration, the projected structural limit load factor was 7.5G, but tha actual operational one has been reduced to 6.
Under same configuration, the maximum sustained turn rate is 15.25 d/s @ M0.5/305 Kts IAS.
For comparison,- a F-4E Blk50 with slats, with 4xAIM-7 and 50% internal fuel, aka GW=41407lbs had a maximum sustained turn rate of 13.3 d/s (-2) reached at 500Kts IAS, and can sustain only 11.5d/s at 305 IAS
- a Mig-21bis (iz75A) with 2R-60 and 50% internal fuel (GW=16,318lbs) can sustain 10.5 d/s at M0.5/305Kts and 12.1@ 450Kts)
- a F-16 Blk52 with 2AIM-9 and 2xAIM-120 at a GW of 25,000lbs can sustain 16.9 d/s at 342Kts (maximum) and 15.7 at 305Kts.
At 15,000ft, Under same condition, the F-14A can sustain (maximum) 11.5 d/s at M0.65 (330Kts), the F-16Blk52 sustain 12.3 d/s @ 465Kts (and 11.5 at M0.65/330Kts)
So, yes ,the F-14A had better turn rate (max and at low speed) than F-4, Mig-21…, but is clearly bellow the F-16Blk52 at 5,000ft (quite all speed), and at 15,000ft is equivalent at medium/low speed, and bellow at higher speed).
FYI, the current F-14A BMS FM give sustain turn rate higher than the Blk52 at quite any speed, so is clearly over modeled in this area.
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he real cat is much more maneuverable than this
I have to say a big no…
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@Heydar,
I’ll be your friend has some very interesting stories to tell! There was a post a while back that had a video of Iran’s F-14s fighting against Iraq. It was very interesting to me because, looking at the F-14 from a U.S. perspective it doesn’t really have much of a fighting record. But it never occurred to me to consider that Iran has done a ton of fighting with their Tomcats. A very U.S.-centric view, I know. The video really opened my eyes.Thanks for sharing your friend’s experience with us.
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I have to say a big no…
I don’t know what do you mean.
But truth is Tomcat is much more poor in history than anyone could imagine.
All of you guys talking about open source which are General.
I am talking about a F-14 pilot Experiences . physician calculate & … but at the end pilot have to risk his life & prove the case(subject) .
his record is more … than you could even imagine .
He was originally F-5E pilot when diverted to F-14 . he said with all love an a little Bias I have to F-5E but I have to declare that F-5E is nothing to F-14 . exactly nothing. and will be defeated veeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy easily by F-14 pilot if he has experience . I saw a video in you tube which F-14 student challenge their instructures in F-16 ( 100% you see too) , 1st master defeat first student due to his lack of experience but the second instructure was trapped in student talent and ask flight lead to come and help him & he(flight lead) finally knock out student and rescue the other master, but remember me one thing, 1st important thing is Experience . if you are in F-22 but simple student & a master in F-86, master will knock you as easy as drinking glass of water. I know it’s exaggerated sentence but really important .Iranian F-14 pilot have records that USN tomcat pilot must have them in dreams . Unlike to west try to show that Iranian F-14 was not operational during Iran-Iraq war but truth is miracle which made by F-14 . which their documents are recorded.you can ask navy F-14 pilot about iraqi pilot react during Persian gulf war when they realize a US F-14 is patrolling in area 10000% they hear “ef arba ashar , ta ajjal ta ajjal alfarar (mean= F-14 hurry hurry scape)” as our pilot hear that many time .
Dear topolo & Mike Metcalf , whould you say more clear & simple,
I didn’t get what you mean , maybe because of my weakness in English , I was going to English class about 10 years ago & quit class before finishing course . I didn’t get what you mean. I have to go for study have no more time , but i try to come and read and answer when I had time.dear toonces, which movie?!!!
could you share it? did you mean video published by IRIAF & press TV & it’s name was tomcat fights or some thing like this!!! if not would you share it?
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Iranian F-14 pilot have records that USN tomcat pilot must have them in dreams.
Very absolute theory that can not be based to real facts.
Do you have any access to the U.S. Navy in order to compare the skills of their F-14 pilots?
I’m not trying to offend you, noway my friend.
I just express my opinion, that is we can not have a comparison for these matters due to lack or real and secret evidences.
Just think of it ;).
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I don’t know what do you mean.
F-14 is not under, rather over modeled in Falcon…