Apparently I am not allowed to post errors.
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Please when making posts do not mention errors with BMS falcon as it runs perfectly. All errors are operatror errors.
Please ignore my posts and advice as it is ill informed and all errors reported by me are the fault on my computer alone.
My apologies to Red Dog for complimenting him on the manual he made about callbacks back in 2011 and he is quite correct in saying only 95% of it is correct, that is more than good enough.
Ive already been warned about spamming and trying to help those in need but apparently that is not allowed.
I shall probably be banned for this post, not that it matters, why try to help those that dont want it.
Good luck and best regards for the future and I hope BMS does become the cream of F16 flight sims.
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Hi Gyro.
When you are posting “bug”:
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Do it right : https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?6181-How-to-write-good-bug-reports
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When ppl give you some advices or request more info … answer them : https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?20016-Osan-s-tower-controller-needs-retiring&p=290641&viewfull=1#post290641
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When devs gives you all the informations about something, do not treat them like if they was dumb and trust them since THEY have the full picture and you don’t.
(doesn’t mean that discussion is not possible)
About your ILS & Comm’s issues on Osan, I still wait the frequency you are using…
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Ive already been warned about spamming and trying to help those in need but apparently that is not allowed.
Be 100% sure that you are are helping them.
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- When devs gives you all the informations about something, do not treat them like if they was dumb and trust them since THEY have the full picture and you don’t. (doesn’t mean that discussion is not possible)
Suggestion, if I may: I know there are pro’s and con’s to this, but would it be possible to add a special title to their accounts, similar to the Moderator-title you have, to indicate they’re developers? When roaming these boards for a while, you get to know a few names that are or may be involved, but to the untrained eye, it’s harder to distinguish that. Don’t think there are that many right now, but it might perhaps cut a few back-and-forth discussions short.
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Relax, there’s a lot of moaning and bitching going on but happy faces draw happy responses over here in my experience, Cheers
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this forum has run 4 years without any major trouble of this kind.
Opinions are always welcome
Bug Reports are always welcome (and we fixed some stuff thanks to some bug report here)In 99% of the cases, all problems have found their solution here by communication. communication means when you ask a question, you read the answer , and if another question is coming from your question, you give the answer and then we progress in the problematic as a community.
When you start to doubt about what developpers say, and do not give the answer we need to help you…then you dont belong to this community anymore. We are not the "old falcon4 " community nor the "frugals " community here
BMS community = share = trust = respect = listening and sometimes (rarely) accept abruptly decisions of the makers.
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Suggestion, if I may: I know there are pro’s and con’s to this, but would it be possible to add a special title to their accounts, similar to the Moderator-title you have, to indicate they’re developers? When roaming these boards for a while, you get to know a few names that are or may be involved, but to the untrained eye, it’s harder to distinguish that. Don’t think there are that many right now, but it might perhaps cut a few back-and-forth discussions short.
Not a bad idea … but not everyone want to be “identified” …
In the discussion that they had, there were no ambiguities about who has the reading of the code.
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you are perfectly allowed to post errors
but when multiple guys tell you there’s no error where you reported it, you should listen and try to see where the problem is rather than continuing posting error reports in mutiple topics.
that equates to spambe more constructive, be ready to do your homework and maybe question yourself as to a “possible” source of the problem
And all will be fine. The key works is constructiveif you don’t and continue to moan, be arrogant or complain or post the same error times and times again against the demonstarted facts from knowledgable users or devs
you will end up testing the moderator patience running after your wrong statements and you will eventually get banned indeed as we have bigger fish to fry -
Please when making posts do not mention errors with BMS falcon as it runs perfectly. All errors are operatror errors.
Well ignoring those trying to help you and now getting snarky will win you lots of points. The devs are MORE than willing to listen and look at possible errors IF they are legitimate with BMS. The simple fact of the matter in your case is that it is either your install of BMS or you have the wrong frequency selected on your radio. We have all flown out of Osan many a time and not once have I gotten a runway 14/32 call from the Osan ATC frequency. Suggestions have been made for you to re download and try BMS with a vanilla install and a few times you have been asked for the specific frequency. Apparently it is easier for you to assume that your install and aircraft knowledge can’t be the problem thus the several “problem” posts. As it has been pointed out above ignoring people with thousands of hours of stick time who actually code this sim assuming you know better on basics like this just isn’t smart.
Please ignore my posts and advice as it is ill informed and all errors reported by me are the fault on my computer alone.
For this Osan ATC issue sorry but it is.
My apologies to Red Dog for complimenting him on the manual he made about callbacks back in 2011 and he is quite correct in saying only 95% of it is correct, that is more than good enough.
Are you contributing anything to this community to fix things like this or donating time making things better? If not then you have ZERO room to complain about someone else’s donated time and effort. Asking for the 100% correct data doesn’t qualify. Fixing it yourself and sharing that would.
Ive already been warned about spamming and trying to help those in need but apparently that is not allowed.
If the advice is good no one will have a problem with it. The one time I saw you give advice was regarding landing and your advice was to not bother with TCN/ILS and just land visually. It was also pointed out in that post that wasn’t good advice as you could find yourself in IMC conditions where you can’t SEE the runway until you are close to mins with a healthy crosswind. Good luck doing that if your INS is down and you don’t know how to use TCN/ILS.
Good luck and best regards for the future and I hope BMS does become the cream of F16 flight sims.
Well the devs haven’t touched this one so I think I will. IMHO BMS already IS the cream of F-16 sims. They just make it better with time. Before you question that one I’ll just mention that I worked on the real aircraft as a member of the United States Air Force for 19 years so I know the real avionics systems pretty well. You won’t find anything else closer to the real thing than BMS.
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"When you start to doubt what (we) say… then you don’t belong to this community any more."
LMFAO…!
Do not question. Do not doubt. Follow. Assimilate. You have been programmed… er… told.
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@Ara’:
"When you start to doubt what (we) say… then you don’t belong to this community any more."
LMFAO…!
Do not question. Do not doubt. Follow. Assimilate. You have been programmed… er… told.
Hey you erased part of the sentence LOL
My remark was in a general way : if you dont listen to teh community and not answer to questions raised by the community to help you out then you dont belong to the community
GET BACK INTO THE MATRIX
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Like there is a matrix that can hold Gornie!
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I took the Green pill… Was it the correct one? :lol:
That depends, do you receive replies when you request something at Osan tower?
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Advice taken on board. From PM’s and from this thread.
However. Any errors that I do report I see if I can create that error myself prior to posting it so as not to waste programming time. As a programmer myself I know how much time can be wasted and the frustration level some people feel sometimes causes them to miss out that one vital step, hence the step by step instructions. I deal with fixing software on a daily basis and many years back dealt with Falcon too. Now I have my own business to run, as I mentioned I dont have the full amount of time to devote to this. Much as I would like to be committed to it again I just dont have spare time.
The errors I have replied to are the ones that I personally on my own machines managed to create in one OS or another. So as for Bravo Sierra, be sure of the facts first.
As I said in most replies this is purely advice, it is up to the user to take or leave it. I dont and have no intention of forcing things onto people. That is what the forum is for and as I mentioned in other posts too, opinions are like fingerprints, everyone has them and they are all different.
Thanks to Red Dog for the PM’s, at least someone had the decency to reply privately rather than the flaming. I cant possibly know the falcon code as it stands right now as I do not have a copy of the up to date code. Wouldnt mind a copy to glance over in my spare time though.
So to all. The advice I give is just that, advice, nothing more nothing less. If it fixes your problem that is because I have worked at the solution outside of Falcon Code in Windows, Linux and MAC, the last two on emulators currently available online. I knew months back when Freefalcon went open source and Lead pursuit gave up on progressing further that this is currently the only Falcon version still in the modification page of its development. The original code back in Falcon 4 was a monster back then, but it got loose and boy were changes made to it.
Went from a in your face cockpit with views and a dynamic campaign to what it has evolved into now. So yes RD I have done my homework, probably a lot longer than you as well, but thats another story. The manual you wrote on callbacks has aided me a lot, thank you. Now this is called a compliment. I know most programmers myself included dont get much or many and most are given tongue in cheek, but that manual is a godsend to 3rd party coders and a new update on the release of version 4.33 and subsequent major releases would be great.
As for spam, I didnt realise I wasnt allowed to post more than 1 or 2 helpful hints per day, for that I apologize. Must have missed it in the forum rules. Yep read those too. Homework done on that prior to signing up. It took me a few weeks of flying BMS prior to signing up to this forum knowing this would be the outcome. But I did it anyhow.
For those who doubt my credentials, you are free to visit my website to check it out if you wish http://www.pcdatalincs.co.uk, talk to me in person if you wish my contact details are on there too. This is no advert or special offer, however if any falcon pilots do have issues with equipment that I can help them with, advice is free. As for anything else well we all have to make a living.
I know that Falcon BMS is in fact now a mixture of SP4, Freefalcon, Lead Pursuits Allied Force and Open Falcon as its back bone. I know some of the coders from each have more than likely joined the crew. But one thing I have learned over the years is that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing where programming is concerned and unless you know the full picture, which I am not privvy too as far as falcon is concerned, then my advice comes mainly from the outside of the game in Windows itself.
As for errors found that i can recreate on my “HACKED UP INSTALLATION” I believe it has been referred too, then everyone elses installation must be hacked up too as I only use a vanilla install with no third party add ins, cockpit changes or anything else. May have been an idea for me to point that out in my signiature or indeed for a critic to even think about asking before they start criticising.
Ill help out with falcon errors were possible. As for TRACK IR, dont have it so dont comment on it, I dont possess a COUGAR and I cant say I want one really. All I want to do in falcon is fly. I dont mind helping folk out if they have issues that windows is causing with the sim, its ever likely too, theres still a few bugs in the system, but from when I was helping out Open Falcon it spent more time CTD than it did working right. I still look at the forums and know windows solutions to a lot of the errors in it. But I think I will leave the fixing to those that have them now and let them find out how to fix it as my help is apparently Bravo Sierra.
I will be reporting any bugs i find that are repeatable along with a possible fix to RED DOG to pass on to whoever is dealing with that part of the code. It is a far better way of doing it or I will use the error reporting facility.
So thanks all for your kind criticism and if you have time to do something other than that maybe youll have time to actually help out those people in need instead of giving someone whose trying to help a hard time. Some of the problems I answered took me hours of time, my free time to make happen and then fix. Unlike a lot of you I have access to 6 computers all with different OS on them and falcon on every one of them. each has a return to standard after reboot utility on it to revert any changes made after the error has been traced. Those I use in my job each day so I have a complete picture of where Windows was, is now and where its going. As for homework RD that will never finish, I havent had a day yet where I havent learned something new.
If you want my help it will only be through reporting the errors through proper channels. My involvement with the forum is done. I think issued a warning, if thats what has to be issued for trying to help then please issue more. Im 52 now and been programming since I was 14 years old at school when I had to make computers from parts out of the RS catalogue and my keyboard had 20 keys on it to code in HEX. Solder the things together on boards I had made and the programs went into EPROM chips, you had to write it all out, path it out on paper because once the code was in if it had a bug it used to take hours under a UV light to erase it from the chip and as many hours to enter it again.
So here is the decision time. Ill leave it in your hands. Only one error to report tonight
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Lol kind of you to visit my web site. I must put a visitors book on there. Be nice to see whose who. Hope you like that background, it took a while to program up for a gif.
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Personally a Take 4 white pills, two yeloow, 2 green and one orange one a day. All part of diabetes unfortunately and old age. Love that green pit joke that made me smile.
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Your life story doesn’t change normal troubleshooting process. It’s not a personal attack on your intelligence but always an issue is assumed to be user error first because 99% of the time it is. If BMS team assumed every time someone has problem with .key file or DTC or radio channel that BMS code was at fault it would be crazy and foolish.
When someone has a problem the first step is to ensure correct procedure. Then can you repeat the problem. Then can someone else repeat the problem. If it works differently in different situations, why? What’s the same? What’s different? It’s very scientific and untrusting of any body based on authority, majority, intelligence, or experience. If DeeJay says Mk-84 falls up on his PC I don’t trust his word only. He is a smart guy with lots of experience but the truth doesn’t care about how popular you are. I would ask the same questions. What did you do? Can you do it again? Will I see the same issue on my machine? Etc.
I look at your bug reports and requests and it looks fine. Just be patient and participate in the back-and-forth question and answer so people can rule out certain things and get up to speed on the situation to help you. Don’t start with conclusion “this is broken” because how can a person have a discussion after a conclusion? Try “this might be broken, this is my data.” It is more humble and encourages others to investigate and decide for themselves. A conclusion reached from shared data is much better than a dictated conclusion yelled from someone else.
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As for programmer snot wanting to be identified, quite write ( in joke ) programmers dont have time to talk to real mortals.
However through all the flaming and abuse I stand and applaud the efforts of all programmers of falcon that have hacked and scraped at what was a crap sim to start with and made it into something to rival the pay a fortune for sims out there.
Yes Falcon is a community and yes it did start a damn long time ago. So long ago half of you werent even out of school. The road to the future is there not from what you see but from where you came from. At times it is best to stop and rest and look back through where you came from just in case in your haste to get this new thing coded youve missed out something so blatantly obvious and never gave it a passing thought.
Heres a repeatable example.
Start falcon, go to controllers, in setup, press NUM PAD 6 or SHIFT NUM PAD 6, looks right doesnt it. Now turn off NUM LOCK so the lights out. Now Press NUM PAD 6 oops didn’t quite notice that one, HOTAS DMS RIGHT. Your apology is accepted. Took a while but it got found and now my HOTAS works fine and dandy with the keypress.key file copied and renamed. Along with 32 directx inputs with no need for a shift layer.Wheres that in the manual? Oh well for those that didnt know if NUM LOCK is active the keypad chuicks out different codes back to the computer. Those with FN press first to get access to it may have some issues. This is advice, take it or leave it the choice is yours as in all my posts.
Right which of you programmers wants error reports. Email me, Im done with the forum, the COMMUNITY can carry on patting itself on the back, fraid I dont need warnings. If you want help somenes going to have to email me. you can visit my site as a lot already have. gotta love the green pit joke, awesome. So Dee Jay or RD choice is yours, helps here if you want it or if you wish to listen to the sheep of the community, than by all means do so. I think Falcon BMS is the dogs &****& marvellous progress. Im offering help if you want it. If you dont then carry on. Make it as elite as you like instead of as generic as you like like lead pursuit did. Elite is fine for those that have ELITE equipment. what about the guys with a simple joystick who load the game up, look in setup and get faced with HOTAS listings.
Whine and moan all you want, but the more generic, the more pilots, the more fliers, the more virtual wings, the more fun. Simple maths.
Is TrackIP vital, not really, ive flown a whole campaign now and not got shot down once using the 2D pit as well. (Pick that man up hes had a heart attack. ) Yes 2D. I use 3D to look at the MFD’s when i cant find my glasses. thats it. I was told its mega realistic, hmm, look closer, I dont recall any pilot carrying binoculars in his flight suit to look closer. But thats the one and only time I use 3D.
Oh and Frugals, OF used to get a load of help from them back in the day so I wouldnt go slagging it off too much. Same with Falcon HQ and all the other forums just like this one, this is where things get fixed. Not every fault is in falcons code and at times people need to be reminded of it.