Survivability strenght of the F-16
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The A-10c in DCS can get shoot at, you see piercing on the fuselage, part of the wings ripped off, some avionics disabled, smoke fussing of the engine and you still manage to get home or nearest friendly airfield for repair work.
For the F-16, it is more of do not go near the engagement zone of these guns and if ever get shot at, chance of even making it out of enemy territory when you eject is very slim.And? Theres a reason why they call it the flying tank. F16 is more like a flying motorcycle by comparison. Damage modeling more or less makes sense in BMS to me. You are correct in that you do not go into the engagement zone of those weapons
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From what I recall Vipers cannot take much damage in RL. F-15s can.
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Depends where they get hit……an F-15 hit in the right place fairs no better at all.
There are few occasions some have been lucky
USAF F-16C block 40 #88-0495 of the 4th TFS after battle damage that occured on February 27st, 1991 during Desert Storm when hit by an SA-8 SAM. nose gear would not extend and the pilot successfully crash landed the aircraft at Rafha, Saudi Arabia near Iraq border. Nose damage was because nose gear did not extend.
The pilot of this F-16C fighter jet managed to fly it 100 miles after half its wing was sheared off in a mid-air collision.
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The first F-16 that flew (was not scheduled, but result of a fast taxi test) was also a crash landing. The bird was fixed and did fly again.
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FYI, in BMS, you can take AAA hits or Manpads without always exploding.
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Sure, but can you take hits without taking damage?
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Nice references there, thanks. I think most simmers also recall that video about the Israeli F-15 landing with one wing, and I mean, one wing.
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In an emergency situation I’d rather be in a non FBW jet TBH.
Perhaps. But when trying to avoid an emergency situation I’d rather be in a FBW jet.
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I’m not sure if I’m thread jacking here(if so, feel free to move it),but how about the Hornet? Is it modelled “Viper style” in this regard?
The timing of this thread is interesting for me, and I have a complement for the Devs. Last night I flew a mission where I took ground fire. My Hyd A went to about 50% of normal then stayed there. I lost comms,mfds, HUD, and had to go backup on TACAN. I don’t remember what all the faults were(and there were plenty :D), but CADC was one of them.
Anyway, “she got me home”, and after using the alternate gear handle was able to do a no speedbrake/no flaps Trap.
The complement is that IMHO it really shows the effort the Devs put into the flight model. With what was damaged, the jet acted as it should have.Also, as I approached the Boat (remember no comms) the AI actually had a plane escort me to landing. Totally cool, Devs!
The point, as relates to this thread, is that this much damage was done to very different systems by what was basically a “Golden BB”. I didn’t take a SAM, or fly through an intense flak barrage.
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Wow, the AI actually send an escort? And set up a trap on the carrier?! That is just amazing
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… :roll:
Here is how urban legend starts.
“No, he was, man. It was a really great move. He was inverted.”
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“No, he was, man. It was a really great move. He was inverted.”
Not inverted but was there.:rolleyes: The urban lessons will have to take care of themselves
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Is the Halon system modeled?
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Nope
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Sure, but can you take hits without taking damage?
Possible bug report: 4.33u1
While flying korea campaign on 100% ace factor last night I get fragged by AA fire @ 20k feet, and enging lights come on and engine shuts down. Since I had the altitude and energy to spare I reach over and manually fire up the APU, wait a few seconds and engage the JFS. At the expected time I hit the pinky switch and pull the throttle back and the engine comes back to life. I then ‘baby’ it thinking it’s going to come apart any second and head for home. No fault lights are lit, and even INS has held it’s alignment. I put the APU back on auto and clear the BIT results.
10 minutes later I get jumped by a pair of SU-27’s and send my wingman to intercept. Somehow 1 gets by him and gets behind me, where he hits me with bullets. Again the engine lights light and the engine shuts down. I again do the above and the engine relights while I’m gliding and trying not to take more lead from the attacker. Wingman in MIA.
A few minutes later the SU-27 hits me again, and for the third time engine shuts down with all the same warning light fanfare, so I again relight the engine with my ‘new’ SOP for this situation, meanwhile the SU-27 gets bored and bugs out. This time on relight I get 3 SMS failures that I cannot clear, but engine still is fine- even AB still works.
*shrug
I land, park, and spend the next half hour trying everything I can think of to clear or reset the SMS errors, to no avail. So, either I missed the part in the manual where it describes the engines cowardice in the face of lead poisoning, or something is screwey with the damage modelling. First time I write off as luck, 2nd time was a head scratcher, 3rd time was a definite red flag. Maybe someone could try to reproduce this if they’re bored ? I’ll try to do this again when I get a chance, but I’m at work ATM.
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Probably your Engine Feed not set properly.
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Probably your Engine Feed not set properly.
Hmmm… I know I reset it after the first shutdown but didn’t check it after that. Does the fuel selector automatically reset to ‘OFF’ after an engine shutdown ?
Edit- Now that I think about it, the fuel selector cannot be the problem as the engine never shut down in the 20 or so minutes I took to land, and the 30+ minutes on the ground chasing the SMS failures.
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Nope.
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Hmmm… I know I reset it after the first shutdown but didn’t check it after that. Does the fuel selector automatically reset to ‘OFF’ after an engine shutdown ?
Edit- Now that I think about it, the fuel selector cannot be the problem as the engine never shut down in the 20 or so minutes I took to land, and the 30+ minutes on the ground chasing the SMS failures.
Might still have been the eng feed though. With the pumps off, the fuel is still gravity fed - landing and sitting on the ground will not be affected, but maneuvering flight can cause engine shutdown by fuel starvation. Not sure if overheatingby fuel starvation is modelled.