Realiable sources about BMS realism
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What I want is a relliable source or a way for the end user to testify all those claims.
Why don’t you turn this around? If your airline pilot friend and aeronautical engineer friend are so knowledgeable, let them proof BMS wrong.
You don’t have to waste your precious time defending BMS. You know it’s as accurate as accurate can be on a desktop PC. You have nothing to prove. If someone doubts BMS, let them provide evidence as to where BMS isn’t accurate.
And while they are trying to figure that out, you just get airborne and waste some bandits. -
Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
NASA tp1538 is more interesting , more engineering orientated
The documents I used for LCO simulation are even more interesting
Dowell, E. H., Thomas, J. P., Hall, K. C., and Denegri, C. M., Jr., “Theoretical Predictions of F-16 Fighter Limit Cycle Oscillations for Flight Flutter Testing,” Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 46, No. 5, 2009, pp. 1667-1672.
Usual abstract/first page teaser, right? Hesitating to get frustratingly hooked by the first page…
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Too late :). But the first page already contains a side-interest, so to speak, as it emphasizes on the point of simulation to determine a part of the F16’s behavior… Actually that may be what you wanted us to read.
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Bloody Hell !!! are there really people in THIS planet who understand all this stuff ???
Viperdrivers are required to memorize this manual!
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That I’m a guy??
Didn’t you get the photos I sent you?
That wasn’t a python I was holding. Haha.And here i thought i was the only special one to get these pictures……
I feel sk cheap now [emoji12]
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Too easy …
There are at least four F-16 pilots on the forum, two F-18 pilots, one F-15 … one EF2000.
Oh my God! Did you see the flash of Benchmarksim forever. That was awesome. That makes me even prouder to be at aleast associated with this amazing sim family.
The flashing of Benchmarksim forever just blew me away.
Thanks for sharing Dee jay and certainly that video would go into my personal archive.Saluting here again all the great guys behind the coding and all works that has sustained this sim.
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That I’m a guy??
Didn’t you get the photos I sent you?
That wasn’t a python I was holding. Haha.Yanking and Banking?
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name, rank ,serial number …. and most cant get the first question right
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Why don’t you turn this around? If your airline pilot friend and aeronautical engineer friend are so knowledgeable, let them proof BMS wrong.
You don’t have to waste your precious time defending BMS. You know it’s as accurate as accurate can be on a desktop PC. You have nothing to prove. If someone doubts BMS, let them provide evidence as to where BMS isn’t accurate.
And while they are trying to figure that out, you just get airborne and waste some bandits.Well, who makes a claims has to proof it, it is the classical burden of proof thing. They are just doubting it. They are more sceptical then doubtful actually. The pilot knows Falcon 4.0, but stopped there. He knows it’s pretty good, but don’t thing it’s THIS good. But so far this thread gave me a lot of info. Those papers and manuals were what I was looking for!
My engineer friend said, for instance, that real flutter test on this types of aircraft are very secretive and doubted that BMS developers had access to real data. But Mav-jp gave me exactly this (below)! As the title says, it’s a theorical prediction, but I doubt that would be far from the test data. He knows to trust simulation data (when well done) as he works with it.
Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
NASA tp1538 is more interesting , more engineering orientated
The documents I used for LCO simulation are even more interesting
Dowell, E. H., Thomas, J. P., Hall, K. C., and Denegri, C. M., Jr., “Theoretical Predictions of F-16 Fighter Limit Cycle Oscillations for Flight Flutter Testing,” Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 46, No. 5, 2009, pp. 1667-1672.
BTW, Thanks a lot for this Mav-jp!
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Background on aeroelasticity in general…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroelasticity
This is actually a pretty nice little story on LCO…F-16 example, I can only assume the “folding wing” mentioned is an F/A-18…but that’s just my guess…
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Bloody Hell !!! are there really people in THIS planet who understand all this stuff ???
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Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
Jp is correct. This is one of the first things to know how to use (a/c performances).
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Too easy …
There are at least four F-16 pilots on the forum, two F-18 pilots, one F-15 … one EF2000.
And what Dee-Jay don’t tell us is that there are some F-16 pilots in BMS developpement team !
During summer 2013 I meet one in Florennes in the 1Sqn, he was Captain, now he’s Commander. In operationals missions
of course he hasn’t the time to play, he works,imagine where…By all mean if there are some MINOR differences whith real
F-16,it’s not so important since there are some differences between F-16 versions!!!
Even the use of the IFF is not so secret,what is secret is the actual code which is changed multiple time a day.
Ah if we could have that in sim! -
And what Dee-Jay don’t tell us is that there are some F-16 pilots in BMS developpement team !
We are several professional (military and comertial) pilots and several licensed PPL pilots … We had four F-16 pilots in the dev team, one left the team for personal reasons but he is still around and still BMS user. The three other are still there (two of them are more or less active) we can always ask them some questions if nesded … and, this is not a secret, we have Stevie here on the public forum who is (iirc) a former F-18 driver and Fox who is F-16. Do I need to mention all of the crew chiefs and mechanics who are quite often giving some (non classified!) details here.
So answer is yes … many RL pilots are devoted to Falcon4BMS.
Even the use of the IFF is not so secret,what is secret is the actual code which is changed multiple time a day.
Ah if we could have that in sim!No need of any real RL pilot for this. Just need a motivated and talented coder … and time.
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F-18 driver
I’ve forgot Mower! lol
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We are several professional (military and comertial) pilots and several licensed PPL pilots … We had four F-16 pilots in the dev team, one left the team for personal reasons but he is still around and still BMS user. The three other are still there (two of them are more or less active) we can always ask them some questions if nesded … and, this is not a secret, we have Stevie here on the public forum who is (iirc) a former F-18 driver and Fox who is F-16. Do I need to mention all of the crew chiefs and mechanics who are quite often giving some (non classified!) details here.
So answer is yes … many RL pilots are devoted to Falcon4BMS.
No need of any real RL pilot for this. Just need a motivated and talented coder … and time.
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I’ve forgot Mower! lol
Dee- Jay, this is so good to know.
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On a side note, being a “rl pilot” do not necessarily mean “being the god of knowleges” … Some ppl better knows some stuff than pilots themselves … I know some IVAO controllers on the web who better masterize standard ICAO phraseo than rl many controllers, I know virtual pilots who perfectly knows the entire APP7 Brevity by heart which some RL military pilot doesn’t … I know some ppl here way more knowledgable about aerodynamics than I am and might demonstrate with maths that some things I feel in my own a/c are not what I believe them to be …
Lets say it is more or less a “commercial” argument … but might be sometimes VERY handy for dev.
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My background: I am not flight crew.
My 2 cents: It is a simulator. and realism is limited. The resolution is not the same as my eyes. I have yet to have a compressor stall. I have not pulled 9G when turning. I have not suffered spinal injury from ejecting. I have not died from crashing into the ground…
However does it simulate an F-16? Does it make me believe I am flying one in an air campaign. Yes it does. It has made me fly virtually better, more professionally and also made me understand much more when reading various books, reports ACIB reports etc. I can apply the comments and lessons learnt to my virtual experience. Also I have had reasonably detailed conversations when I speak to a friend of mine who was a pilot (RC-1352 Vietnam and F4 at Edwards). It has made me appreciate all pilots much much more.
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On a side note, being a “rl pilot” do not necessarily mean “being the god of knowleges” … Some ppl better knows some stuff than pilots themselves … I know some IVAO controllers on the web who better masterize standard ICAO phraseo than rl many controllers, I know virtual pilots who perfectly knows the entire APP7 Brevity by heart which some RL military pilot doesn’t … I know some ppl here way more knowledgable about aerodynamics than I am and might demonstrate with maths that some things I feel in my own a/c are not what I believe them to be …
+1
And just before I’ll continue eating my porncorn since post 1, just to add, that only a handful real “whatever-ppl” have the ability to recognize this for some ppl external to their “product of their profession” (aka Metallica, One, 5:37).
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I work on Block 60s Avionics……
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I work on Block 60s Avionics……
BMS dev doesn’t. (just because I expect some suggestions about Blk60)