BMS 4.34 Documents correction report
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It’s explained in the text line below
Basically, there was a bug at the time of writing with the L and R
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@Red:
this is a Campaign related paragraph,
unless I am mistaken, a DTC can’t be shared in Campaign, because there is no TE.ini file generated and the DTC is in the pilot.ini file.
That’s what the text says, basically, each pilot should create his DTC before going to fly, since there’s no easy way to share a single PPT/line configurationUnlike in a TE scenario where the TE creator can create the TE.ini file and spread it to the participant, then upon entering the TE, all participants will have the same PPTs and lines …
Then yes Red Dog, you can share PPT and Lines in campaign files, this is not a misunderstanding. A dtc save in a campaign alters the campaign.ini file. This is not how we proceed, since we rather use WDP, but when I load my own campaign missions, I have my previously set PPT and Lines re-appearing from the .ini.
Actually WDP generates ini with the same save name, so this is very much the same.
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Thanks
I could use more information on that one then.
correct me where necessary
By nature, usually a Campaign flight is briefed all together in the UI (you can’t really plan them in advance as they are real time)
So you all gather in the Ui Campaign section, pick a flight and modify it or frag a new one.
Then as you brief your flight you set PPT and line, and save the DTCNow if you want to share that DTC, then you need all the guys who haven’t saved the DTC to exit the Campaign (and falcon as per the dev recommendation …), copy the received DTC file in the save folder and reneter the Campaign,
Or of course you have a single guy in the Campaign preparing the flight and fragging the Te and making the DTC, then exit the Campaign, and reenter it with all the members when ready…
Which is not so convenient to do in a TvT real time running Campaign?I’d love to hear about the way you do with WDP also?
I hardly do Campaign, so I could use the info from the guys with more experience -
Will be pleased to help by describing how we proceed, I feel a video could be more useful than a (maybe long) text. In French, in addition :).
I don’t do live fragging with a group but I think I can implement that in this description. Stay tuned for the next 24 hours in this very thread.
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Hi Red Dog,
Ops…. sorry and thanks.
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Here for Red Dog, 13 minutes.
I probably go through trivia stuff in the first place, sorry about that. I’ll let you see, but I can tell you I gladly found a way to share .ini data on a persisting server, as long as the server manager cooperates (modest input) - details inside. It took me a bit more thinking than I expected. I never use persisting servers and campaigns for this kind of reason: making preparation more complicated, including the fact we can hardly frag more than 6 hours in advance (unless it changed with .34.0). If by chance, you had in mind some kind of limitation in how TvT events could be supported, then you probably have an easy fix here.
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Merci Lorik,
When you open a campaign, it’s the Autosave.ini that’s relevant
As soon as you open the DTC to save changes and hit save, then the nameofthecampaign.ini becomes relevant and has your saved DTC
If you make further changes like adding a PPT, and reopen the dtc but don’t save it and click load, it will actually remove the last unsaved PPT as it loads you last saved DTCBottom line, the hardcoded selection of DTC when you click load or save is a caveat to the campaign system (IMHO)
I think the whole system should be much easier if both the LOAD and SAVE button from the DTC would open a window and let you decide how to name your DTC save files or which one to load
That would be much more intuitive to save and load DTC file for differnt mission, different flights and differnt days of the same campaign. online or offlineHere comes an idea for a feature request
Many thanks for your time making the video, much appreciated
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My pleasure entirely. And yes, definitely a useful feature. We get so much used to do with the UI as it is, that we forget the simplest ways to improve it.
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@Red:
where is the error GZA?
??? I just told you what the error was:
This appears to be saying that you cannot share ini files between players before Multiplayer Campaign missions…? This is not true, we do it all the time.
I take the ini file from my campaign folder and distribute it to the other players. They drop it into the campaign folder and when they join the campaign, they have all the PPTs and lines.
I can even send it to people already in the campaign. They don’t even have to leave the campaign. They click Load DTC, it loads.
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??? I just told you what the error was:
This appears to be saying that you cannot share ini files between players before Multiplayer Campaign missions…? This is not true, we do it all the time.
I take the ini file from my campaign folder and distribute it to the other players. They drop it into the campaign folder and when they join the campaign, they have all the PPTs and lines.
I can even send it to people already in the campaign. They don’t even have to leave the campaign. They click Load DTC, it loads.
You’re late Gasman
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yeah, obviously they only take correction reports seriously if they are in french LOL
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Sure Gza, and to prove your point, the next edition of the BMS manual will be in frech only
It will be much easier for me …:uham:
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BMS Manual p135
“on the taxiway with an operational jet 2 minutes before TOT.”
Default is 4, unless you change falcon bms.cfg.
Edit RD [Fixed]It could be more consistent to have default 6 minutes in case all players jump in 3D in taxi mode, considering this is when ATC is supposed to grant taxi (or later if other flights are taxiing to take-off before).
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100% agree. Six minutes would be a better default now, given BMS’s new ATC taxiing procedures…
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BMS Technical Manual Page 134
Below the Headline “12.4.3 Mode 1 Codes” follows a line where are some numbers, they dont belong there:
Depending on t10.3.4he settings in the “.iff” file, the mode 1 code can be:
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KTO AIP, CHONGJU VISUAL p 65
The EAST coordinates (Geosan Bridge) are wrong.
it Should be N36°47.024’ ; E128°58.971’(instead of N36°54.660’ ; E128°32.564’which is on the West of the Airbase)
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@Red:
Merci Lorik,
When you open a campaign, it’s the Autosave.ini that’s relevant
As soon as you open the DTC to save changes and hit save, then the nameofthecampaign.ini becomes relevant and has your saved DTC
If you make further changes like adding a PPT, and reopen the dtc but don’t save it and click load, it will actually remove the last unsaved PPT as it loads you last saved DTCBottom line, the hardcoded selection of DTC when you click load or save is a caveat to the campaign system (IMHO)
I think the whole system should be much easier if both the LOAD and SAVE button from the DTC would open a window and let you decide how to name your DTC save files or which one to load
That would be much more intuitive to save and load DTC file for differnt mission, different flights and differnt days of the same campaign. online or offlineHere comes an idea for a feature request
Many thanks for your time making the video, much appreciated
Coming back to that after some tests (and because I’m working on new KTO campaigns, which means new names…)
I named my first mod campaign “Poopeedoo” (name was changed to unmatch reality). When I start a campaign and save my DTC, the name given to the ini file is the one contained in Art\Main\theater.irc as TXT_SCENARIO_1. Here, I find a POOPEEDOO.ini file.
Autosave is not very consistent in my experience. It may not be the best experience since I don’t use it usually.
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Hey Red dog,
think i found a minor bug.
In the BMS KTO AIP 4.34, page 44, route V549 -> Kunsan TACAN is listed as 102X (Anyang VORTAC), it should be 075X.Or do i miss something?
cheers
Magic
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Hi Reddog.
Thanks for this superb documents, they helped me a lot!I found a minor error on Dash 1 doc, page 77, when you listed the DED MISC pages, CORR page explanation use MAGV picture too, CORR page picture is missing.
cheers
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