Dcs World Viper and Falcon BMS
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All that is possible in DCS, just takes a lot of time and effort to make. The mission editor is quite capable, though like with all scripted solutions, it takes lot of work to get good results out of it.
Please, (try) to create the following (VERY basic) COMAO:
4 x F-16 in SEAD : Push 10:00:00 / FL280
4 x F-15 in SWEEP : Push 10:02:00 / FL320
4 x F-18 in STRIKE : Push 10:03:00 / FL240
2 x F-18 in ESCORT : Push 10:04:00 / FL260Mandatory:
Same spacing on TGT than on Push.
All a/c must depart from the same airbase.
Push time has to preceded by a Hold.
All a/c must Push +/- 10s.
All a/c must recover on the same airbase.
Target, defense (no needed) and navigation of your choice.…
Fly the mission and send my the track/mission …
Personally, I’ve spend a huge time to try to create such “easy” package mission using all kind of advanced options. Without success.
AIs do not manage a proper timing on Push/Target.FAIL.
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@POLARIS1
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/gbnqlg/unpopular_opinion_taking_a_break_from_dcs/This kind of post was unimagineable year or two ago.
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Please, (try) to create the following (VERY basic) COMAO:
4 x F-16 in SEAD : Push 10:00:00 / FL280
4 x F-15 in SWEEP : Push 10:02:00 / FL320
4 x F-18 in STRIKE : Push 10:03:00 / FL240
2 x F-18 in ESCORT : Push 10:04:00 / FL260Mandatory:
Same spacing on TGT than on Push.
All a/c must depart from the same airbase.
Push time has to preceded by a Hold.
All a/c must Push +/- 10s.
All a/c must recover on the same airbase.
Target, defense (no needed) and navigation of your choice.…
Fly the mission and send my the track/mission …
Personally, I’ve spend a huge time to try to create such “easy” package mission using all kind of advanced options. Without success.
AIs do not manage a proper timing on Push/Target.FAIL.
Well, create that COMAO in BMS and have the AI fly that mission into a defended area and most likely all of them will be shot down. Every sim has its shortcomings… I agree that timing wise a mission like that is probably easier to make in BMS than DCS. But the DCS mission builder also allows you to do things that BMS doesn’t, like I described in the thread over in the software corner section.
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… into a defended area and most likely all of them will be shot down.
Which is not the case in DCS? …
Timing management is the VERY basic things that ant combat pilot has to master before its first mission. Before evading SAMs, one must be able to Push on time.
… And land properly after a mission.Mission builder is nice … but if AIs cannot follow programmed instruction …
Few other things I don’t like … AIs no able to take off on some airbase when wind is not coming from the right direction.
AIs standing on runway, wing-man unable to stop or avoid collision.
AIs transposing (not in Multiplayer) … with all the consequences coming with (missile miss due to AI instantaneously transposing tens netters further away).
… when I say that to me, those kind of bug are really show-stopper and should be considered in high priority, I recieve some “Infraction points” and my posts are suppressed.
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AIs standing on runway, wing-man unable to stop or avoid collision.
Same thing, but even more frustrating due to less space available, happens on aircraft carrier(s).
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@POLARIS1
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/gbnqlg/unpopular_opinion_taking_a_break_from_dcs/This kind of post was unimagineable year or two ago.
Are you sure?
Threads like this come up on a regular basis with the same ping pong almost to the letter.
They contribute nothing to no one and serve as no more as a place to pass time to make room for more time (my original quote from Kaveret).Why?
Simple.
One always adores one’s wife’s lasagna.More than that…while we have the better aircraft and TE/ Campaign engine ED have the numbers (eg players) by a landslide.
So…let’s stop comparing dick sizes and start turning the tide.
What does it matter what is better as I see more of the people I know give up and fly DCS.And…if it was up to me I would have just closed these mushrooms after the rain who’s bigger threads after ten posts.
You will not learn anything new after that.
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Which is not the case in DCS? …
Well yes, and from what I understand probably even worse.
All I’m saying every sim has its shortcomings. DCS mission builder also allows you to do things that you can’t in BMS.Few other things I don’t like … AIs no able to take off on some airbase when wind is not coming from the right direction.
Well yesterday I decided to fly a campaign mission in 4.34. The first one in 4.34 for me. I usually fly TE’s and it’s been a while since I flew in a campaign. But had quite a few issues there as well. Some simple things like my pilot voice and AWACS talking at the same time. I asked AWACS for a picture and as soon as AWACS started talking, my pilot voice started to call out bandits making AWACS impossible to hear. This is easily fixed of course by disabling my own pilot voice. But AWACS also stopped talking halfway through transmissions sometimes. Like Viper 2-1, I have 2 groups…first group…then nothing anymore. This happened 2 or 3 times during the mission. Then when I RTB’d at the end of the mission there was an aircraft stuck on the landing runway. He was just sitting there and was still there when I was shut down on the ramp. And after shut down I noticed ATC calling out to an AI flight if there was a problem so I started to look around and noticed some AI jets pointing at each other getting stuck trying to taxi. I admit these type of problems in BMS are quite rare and was quite surprised to run into these things, but all in all the campaign mission was a bit messy this time. Not what I’m used to in BMS.
… when I say that to me, those kind of bug are really show-stopper and should be considered in high priority, I recieve some “Infraction points” and my posts are suppressed.
I understand and would agree. I haven’t flown single player in DCS yet, I’ve only flown it multiplayer with my brother (which is the only reason I even have DCS). And these flights worked quite all right. But single player would probably frustrate me as well.
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I understand and would agree. I haven’t flown single player in DCS yet, I’ve only flown it multiplayer with my brother (which is the only reason I even have DCS). And these flights worked quite all right. But single player would probably frustrate me as well.
To experience those bugs you just need to fly a mission, regardless of multiplayer or singleplayer. AI in SP is the same AI in MP.
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On hoggit? I am 95% percent sure it is rather new trend after 4.34 AND DCS F-16.
For sure people are moving to DCS (and from DCS as well). Hell, even I decided few months ago to give DCS another chance. But while it does look and sound veeery good and has FAPTASTIC Tomcat and cool Harrier the whole exprience is rather disappointing…
But I am very biased and spoiled - it is hard for me to enjoy any SP/MP simulator other than BMS. I like Il-2 GB and CloD, but they also… suck in terms of overall exprience due to poor AI, ATC and so on.
And…if it was up to me I would have just closed these mushrooms after the rain who’s bigger threads after ten posts.
You will not learn anything new after that.
Even from my posts.100% agree, also applicable to my posts.
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Well yesterday I decided to fly a campaign mission in 4.34. The first one in 4.34 for me. I usually fly TE’s and it’s been a while since I flew in a campaign. But had quite a few issues there as well. Some simple things like my pilot voice and AWACS talking at the same time. I asked AWACS for a picture and as soon as AWACS started talking, my pilot voice started to call out bandits making AWACS impossible to hear. This is easily fixed of course by disabling my own pilot voice. But AWACS also stopped talking halfway through transmissions sometimes. Like Viper 2-1, I have 2 groups…first group…then nothing anymore. This happened 2 or 3 times during the mission. Then when I RTB’d at the end of the mission there was an aircraft stuck on the landing runway. He was just sitting there and was still there when I was shut down on the ramp. And after shut down I noticed ATC calling out to an AI flight if there was a problem so I started to look around and noticed some AI jets pointing at each other getting stuck trying to taxi. I admit these type of problems in BMS are quite rare and was quite surprised to run into these things, but all in all the campaign mission was a bit messy this time. Not what I’m used to in BMS.
I never experienced that in maybe 3000+ hours of BMS, so you’re pretty unlucky to experience that in a single flight…
On hoggit? I am 95% percent sure it is rather new trend after 4.34 AND DCS F-16.
Yup. There was always a rant thread there and there, but in the last 6-9 months they have become increasingly frequent;
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To experience those bugs you just need to fly a mission, regardless of multiplayer or singleplayer. AI in SP is the same AI in MP.
I’m very new to DCS, we’ve only flown a few basic 2v2 intercepts and dogfights so far. Nothing fancy. So can’t really judge yet. My brother has flown DCS a bit longer and he did say that the AI is pretty poor compared to BMS.
I never experienced that in maybe 3000+ hours of BMS, so you’re pretty unlucky to experience that in a single flight…
Me neither. This was the first campaign mission I flew since I have 4.34. But I’ve flown quite a few campaign missions in the past in 4.32 and 4.33 and never had this before either.
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If no one noticed, then I’ll tell you - there is no game in the DCS … in general, from the word at all. There is a desperate desire to make money on the big names of the models Mig 21, F-14, now Falcon.
But there is no game … whoever found, please show me,maybe i was looking not there.With Mig 21 it’s a shame, they sold the model so far and haven’t solved all of its bugs and will never solve it. Sold out and bye)). Correct me if I am wrong.
To be honest . I didn’t want and don’t want to discuss DCS in this place - I left it and made a choice for many reasons.
Here is Falcon’s HOUSE, and let’s talk about the beautiful without touching any DCS …https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4257045#post4257045
This is my last conversation with Chizh on the forum.Talk about how different Falcon and DCS are.
I hope who such Chizh is not necessary to explain.
You can translate Google translator into English.My nickname on the form was “reg_zero” -
BMS is great realism but I think it should add some of this:
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Falcon4BMS is not really made to be played in external view nor made to make air-show video footages. DCS is perfect for this (however, a bit expensive).
F4BMS is rather focused on Combat Flight Simulation.
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BMS is great realism but I think it should add some of this:
If there was a sound, you would have heard how loud I laughed))) In addition to these tricks in DCS there is nothing more to do - the circus))).
Like the circus - enjoy. -
Falcon4BMS is not really made to be played in external view nor made to make air-show video footages. DCS is perfect for this (however, a bit expensive).
F4BMS is rather focused on Combat Flight Simulation.
A real, unpredictable battle in very different conditions - this is nowhere else. Believe me, I was looking in the afternoon with a flashlight.
Thank you very much men for saved up and improved Falcon - it simply has no equal. And probably will not be. Everything else wants beautiful fur under the ass instead of a real enemy.
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Here is my desktop - there is nothing more beautiful than the morning in Kunsan. My favorite shot. And my favorite plane. And my favorite game …
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No time for another “DCS round” so I’ll just post some interesting reads on Reddit for folks that want some real insight of what it is (I said it in other words myself many times here, with different wording)
The best 1 statement sum up of DCS I’ve ever read:
DCS is fantastically well modeled aircraft and great scenery stuffed into a terrible sim
And just today I saw this interesting thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/hoggit/comments/gbnqlg/unpopular_opinion_taking_a_break_from_dcs/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2xEnjoy.
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Hi folks!
I found a phenomenon in my flight-sim community in China: Most of people under the age of 26 are favor of DCS. Most of people above the age of 28 are more like BMS.
No offense to anyone. if you want to be a mature Millitary-Sim fan, Please try BMS and feel her mature glamour! you have grown up, don’t be a kid anymore. :eek:
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I have a question of my own which I think this thread would be the best for. While the F-16 in BMS is recommended to be the more realistic jet the same question about other jets in the sim is no less significant. In that case we are dealing with flying other jets option Vs modules. For example, how well does the MIG-29 (with all it’s different variants) perform in BMS. Better still, the SU-25 which maneuvers better then any other fighter jet once you try to gun it! In as far as the most accurate sim, modeling the accurate performance of other jets is no less important than modeling the atmospheric ambience for the viper.