What if: Falcon 5 (Poll)
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No chance in hell Microprose would make such a deep and detailed study sim. I won’t say ‘again’, since original F4.0 was nowhere near what we have here.
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No one can reach a fraction of some aspects this software has reached, and will only get much much better…
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Falcon BMS will exist as long as the developers have the passion and motivation to keep updating it. If Microprose want to use TitanIM to expand their current military only simulations into gaming for everyone, sure they will be able to make some good simulation games, but if they don’t buy the Falcon IP from the current owner they probably give another name. It will be interesting if Microprose decide to make a move on military simulation games, because there will be more competition and the fans of this genre of games, will have more games to enjoy.
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Here’s some new competition for the BMS community from Microprose! The future of Falcon 5 maybe?? :mrgreen:
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It’s possible that there could be a Falcon 5, but I would expect it to pale in comparison to Falcon 4 given what I’ve read about developers “forgetting how they did the Dynamic Campaign Engine”…which frankly, I also have a difficult time believing (though I also have zero idea just how many of the original creators are left out there). I would expect BMS to be the last, best…for a very long time. Hopefully the continual improvement will also continue, though at some point the Viper itself is going to appear outdated.
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No one can reach a fraction of some aspects this software has reached, and will only get much much better…
AGREED 100%!!
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Here’s some new competition for the BMS community from Microprose! The future of Falcon 5 maybe?? :mrgreen:
:heh:I thought this was awesome… and I really mean it!
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I was invited to a podcast where their community manager was.
I would say that Falcon 5.0 is very far fetched… They need cash right now and Falcon isn’t a money cash cow as per say…
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I thought this was awesome… and I really mean it!
Awesome indeed Seifer! And yes, once its released, I’ll be adding it to my Steam library! :thumb:
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There is no way Microprose is going to undertake Falcon 5.0 or any other in-depth simulation ever again. In fact, Falcon 4.0 left Spectrum Holobyte/Microprose with a huge gaping hole in their P&L.
A year after release, the game had generated revenue of less than $5 million USD - the development costs would have been far beyond that.
And remember, Falcon 4.0 was developed in the golden era of PC flight and combat simulation, though admittedly at the very backend of this era.In the 90s, there were so many military flight simulators on the market - think about the Janes’ Combat Simulation Series (ATF, Longbow, US Navy Fighters, IDF, F-15), Flanker/LOMAC, EF2000, Tornado, F-22 Total Air War, etc….
Of these only Falcon 4.0 and Flanker/LOMAC (now BMS and DCS respectively) remain is highly niche products.
There’s a very good reason for this almost complete collapse of this market segment. The investment is huge, the market is small and niche and the Return On Investment (ROI) is years - not weeks or months.
It also exclusively limited to the PC market and requires expensive joystick/HOTAS to enjoy.You’re not going to win over any investors to cough up the cash required upfront to fund the development of a product - whereas they can make far more money investing in the production of mainstream games available on both PC and the console market, with a much greater audience and, for AAA titles, almost immediately ROI upon release.
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There is no way Microprose is going to undertake Falcon 5.0 or any other in-depth simulation ever again. In fact, Falcon 4.0 left Spectrum Holobyte/Microprose with a huge gaping hole in their P&L.
A year after release, the game had generated revenue of less than $5 million USD - the development costs would have been far beyond that.
And remember, Falcon 4.0 was developed in the golden era of PC flight and combat simulation, though admittedly at the very backend of this era.In the 90s, there were so many military flight simulators on the market - think about the Janes’ Combat Simulation Series (ATF, Longbow, US Navy Fighters, IDF, F-15), Flanker/LOMAC, EF2000, Tornado, F-22 Total Air War, etc….
Of these only Falcon 4.0 and Flanker/LOMAC (now BMS and DCS respectively) remain is highly niche products.
There’s a very good reason for this almost complete collapse of this market segment. The investment is huge, the market is small and niche and the Return On Investment (ROI) is years - not weeks or months.
It also exclusively limited to the PC market and requires expensive joystick/HOTAS to enjoy.You’re not going to win over any investors to cough up the cash required upfront to fund the development of a product - whereas they can make far more money investing in the production of mainstream games available on both PC and the console market, with a much greater audience and, for AAA titles, almost immediately ROI upon release.
I doubt Microprose has anything in common with the original Microprose other than the logo, it’s just another brand passed on and on like Norton
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Here’s some new competition for the BMS community from Microprose! The future of Falcon 5 maybe?? :mrgreen:
:heh:Interesting Sim , I wonder if the DCS fanboys will complain about the very 90s graphics? they do so already with BMS, Yet BMS surpasses the graphics of the Original F4 by at least a decade, Fact i say it on a par with the Original LOMAC, They must shit in their eyes
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It’s possible that there could be a Falcon 5, but I would expect it to pale in comparison to Falcon 4 given what I’ve read about developers “forgetting how they did the Dynamic Campaign Engine”…which frankly, I also have a difficult time believing (though I also have zero idea just how many of the original creators are left out there). I would expect BMS to be the last, best…for a very long time. Hopefully the continual improvement will also continue, though at some point the Viper itself is going to appear outdated.
I concur
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F5=BMS
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I doubt Microprose has anything in common with the original Microprose other than the logo, it’s just another brand passed on and on like Norton
And Rollei.
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In the 90s, there were so many military flight simulators on the market - think about the Janes’ Combat Simulation Series (ATF, Longbow, US Navy Fighters, IDF, F-15), Flanker/LOMAC, EF2000, Tornado, F-22 Total Air War, etc….
Of these only Falcon 4.0 and Flanker/LOMAC (now BMS and DCS respectively) remain is highly niche products.
There’s a very good reason for this almost complete collapse of this market segment. The investment is huge, the market is small and niche and the Return On Investment (ROI) is years - not weeks or months.
It also exclusively limited to the PC market and requires expensive joystick/HOTAS to enjoy.Another reason for sure would be cultural-political. In the early 90s, the Gulf War and the overwhelming role of its air campaign spurred a huge interest in flight-simming. To a lesser degree, Norther/Southern Watch and the Balkan interventions kept that interest going to a lesser degree. After 9/11 though, the ways the new wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were fought changed, putting more emphasis on boots on the ground. Hence the rise of the military shooters.
I’m reasonably sure that if tensions with Russia and/or China continue to rise, or another air campaign focused war kicked off, interest in flight-simming would also increase again. If that’s something one should wish for is another debate that probably has no place here.
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Interesting Sim , I wonder if the DCS fanboys will complain about the very 90s graphics? they do so already with BMS, Yet BMS surpasses the graphics of the Original F4 by at least a decade, Fact i say it on a par with the Original LOMAC, They must shit in their eyes
Who knows (cares) what the those DCSnowflakes will say. Pixel for pixel, I personally feel that ArmA III is a much better sim than DCS ever is! If ArmA only was able to improve on its flight modeling it would beat DCS hands down! As for Tiny Combat Arena, I’ll buy it just cuz it looks like a fun little time-waster & I don’t need a machine with 32 GB of RAM to fly it.
EDIT: Not sure anyone has noticed, (& not to high-jack the subject) but MicroProse also has gone old-school by re-publishing old games titles through Steam. You’ll find fun time-wasters like Gunship, F-19, F-117 & 1942.
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Who knows (cares) what the those DCSnowflakes will say.
Oh i also don`t Care just making a flippant remark at their bizarre logic …for me I always appreciate the Flat Shaded Graphics look i Love A10 Cuba for it although it had no Dynamic campaign it was good and accurate (also Difficult) and had a lot of attention to detail
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Another reason for sure would be cultural-political. In the early 90s, the Gulf War and the overwhelming role of its air campaign spurred a huge interest in flight-simming. To a lesser degree, Norther/Southern Watch and the Balkan interventions kept that interest going to a lesser degree. After 9/11 though, the ways the new wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were fought changed, putting more emphasis on boots on the ground. Hence the rise of the military shooters.
I’m reasonably sure that if tensions with Russia and/or China continue to rise, or another air campaign focused war kicked off, interest in flight-simming would also increase again. If that’s something one should wish for is another debate that probably has no place here.
That is probably part of it, but the main issue on lack of sims like all those we had in the 90s, complexity of producing a combat flight sim has increased exponentially. It is no longer a money maker, unless you charge DCS level prices.
To see the modern level of software development complexity that is probably on par with those 90s sims, you have the games of VTOL VR and Project Wingman. You used to be able to model far less systems back then and could still have it be a “study” sim.
EDIT: Not sure anyone has noticed, (& not to high-jack the subject) but MicroProse also has gone old-school by re-publishing old games titles through Steam. You’ll find fun time-wasters like Gunship, F-19, F-117 & 1942.
Look a little closer there is the “Developer” and “Publisher” on Steam, I think all of those old titles are ones that current MicroProse does not own any IP rights to. The publisher for most of those is Retroism, also involved in the Falcon 4.0 IP with Billionsoft. You have been able to purchase those games for a long time via Retroism on retro gaming sites like GoG. I doubt current MicroProse is making a dime off any of those titles.
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I believe MP will do a military sandbox on par with ARMA using TitanIM. I believe that has been the goal all along and the reason they guy bought MP in the first place. Now he is rebuilding a consumer publisher releasing their current titles. I dont think a Falcon 5.0 is in the cards. But I have had fun with their social media person tagging them in BMS content.