Phantom Phrustration
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@Stevie said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin - I am on topic. You shouldn’t be able to get off the deck if you are skagging the stub of your nose gear along. So if you’re not off by rotation speed I wouldn’t expect that you could or should get off the deck.
Burst speed for the nose tires should be someplace around 190-ish knots, so if you haven’t rotated before then you should have additional problems.
IRL yes, but never in BMS, we can forget that in this topic
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@Stevie FAA approved tires shall behave properly until 270kt. Military grade tires have the same requirements, some even have higher capability. Remember that aircraft like F-104 or Mirage III may take off if heavy payload over 180kt.
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
By the way, I start on runway without touching anything, especially flaps, for both aircrafts. If you do anything with them?..
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@LorikEolmin said in Phantom Phrustration:
@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
By the way, I start on runway without touching anything, especially flaps, for both aircrafts. If you do anything with them?..
Didi the same here
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@TOPOLO - then BMS needs to be fixed to incorporate this aspect. I know BMS does model brake energy, hot brakes, and bursting of main gear tires, and so would expect it to also include the failure of nose tire(s).
From the Dash 1 for the F-16:
“The NLG tire is certified for use to [PX II] 217, [PX III] 235 knots groundspeed.” (PX II and PX III are Peace Xenia aircraft…whatever those are…)There should be a similar entry in the Limitations Section of he Dash 1 for the F-4…but there doesn’t seem to be:
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So, further fiddling gives me the same problem with most a/c (some exceptions for certain F-16’s) when carrying external wing tanks… Stock KTO BMS 4.7.2 fresh install. Only thing I can think of is WinWing Orion2 10th Anniv Throttle and F-16EX stick. The calibration documentation is horrific and I’m not entirely sure I’m getting the full throw of the stick (although in setup, it seems to).
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin said in Phantom Phrustration:
@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
Same video captured with 4.37.2 (vanillia)
By the way, I start on runway without touching anything, especially flaps, for both aircrafts. If you do anything with them?..
Didi the same here
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@LorikEolmin Thanks for you video
What is sure is that I haven’t any repro case in U2, so will be hard to analyse@Mav-jp has fixed this exact issue the 21st of May 2022 (at that time I had a repro case, we we were able to analyze and fix). So I’m sure his fix is in U2 (Released March 2023)
So may be Mav’s fix does not cover all cases, but without a repro case on our side, I do not see how we can progress
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@TOPOLO said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin Thanks for you video
What is sure is that I haven’t any repro case in U2, so will be hard to analyse@Mav-jp has fixed this exact issue the 21st of May 2022 (at that time I had a repro case, we we were able to analyze and fix). So I’m sure his fix is in U2 (Released March 2023)
So may be Mav’s fix does not cover all cases, but without a repro case on our side, I do not see how we can progress
Sure, no problem.
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@LorikEolmin and, flying with some Joe Satriani, just for good measure.
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@Aragorn said in Phantom Phrustration:
@LorikEolmin and, flying with some Joe Satriani, just for good measure.
But stay on topic
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@parislord said in Phantom Phrustration:
So, further fiddling gives me the same problem with most a/c (some exceptions for certain F-16’s) when carrying external wing tanks… Stock KTO BMS 4.7.2 fresh install. Only thing I can think of is WinWing Orion2 10th Anniv Throttle and F-16EX stick. The calibration documentation is horrific and I’m not entirely sure I’m getting the full throw of the stick (although in setup, it seems to).
If you have problems with f16 then the problem is definitively on your stick response
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Just because you said you are frustrated
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@Mav-jp: This is where I’m getting really confused: in Setup, it shows that the ball travels to the border of the window in all axis’…
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@LorikEolmin Could it be something simple as gross weight being off at some crazy level for the G. In that test mission, what does the loadout screen say?
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@jayb Gross weight 45801. Not red.
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when ı am ın full ab wıth rockıng wıngs and takıng of wıth f-4 otherwıse ı am stıckıng on the runway
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@TOPOLO What kind of fix are you talking about? ACDATA file modification?.. elsewhere?
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@parislord said in Phantom Phrustration:
@Xeno: Tried on default AND Easy, switched to Easy to try it at much higher than rotate speed. Cannot get the a/c to lift-off under any circumstances… I thinks it’s some kind of weight issue: if I take out about 20% of the internal fuel it’ll pitch-up abruptly around 285kts. This was with 3x AIM-7, 4x AIM-9, ALQ-119 and 2x Wing-Tanks. With 3x Tanks, it will not lift off at all until I end the mission at which key-press it suddenly takes-off at a steep but effortless pitch-up.
Same here, reducing fuel amount allows taking-off.
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@LorikEolmin - may also want to check your stores loadout. Balance stores vs fuel…and check how stores affects CG. I did notice a comment in the Phantom Dash 1 about the effect of loadout on takeoff performance.