Offering materials to BMS…
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So …
Since it looks like we are all totally dumb ans stupid… it seems the best would be :_**BMS officially refuse any kind of external materials and will not accept any kind of contribution any more. Of course, since any BMS member could, one day, be a former member, we won’t accept any contribution from any active BMS member either.
For safety and to avoid any futures problems, we have decided to lock the database and throw the key into the ocean, and will kill all the BMS coders after the next release.**_
Guys … you are making things a bit too much complicated.
Yes … there is high chance that problems will occur one day with the future BMS members/manager (maybe some of you guys!?) once the current members will be old and retired.
But as we do every day here … they will have to deal with it and find their own solutions just like we are trying to do.
Just remember this:
You want to contribute … you can. But it is for free and with a full handover to BMS.
End.
Nothings more to consider I think.
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@A.S:
PS: I don´t think to much, but i am realistic. Look, if i make a 3D model… NO questions whatsoever…take it…use it …change it… sleep with it …i dont care… but not everyone thinks like that.
So … those ppl should not offer their work to BMS then.
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Dee-Jay …. relax… you are getting this totally from the wrong end.
You want to contribute … you can. But it is for free and with a full handover to BMS.
Agree (full LOD, not full 3Dmax). As i said… if someone gives you a “hand” for free, don´t rip out his “arm”.
I personally would give you the 3Dmax files, but if Nizmo has a problem with it, but still wants to share the LODs… why not? -
So … those ppl should not offer their work to BMS then.
For cry-sake…of course they SHOULD. I am advotate of COMMUNITY… meaning WE ALL SHARE … and benefit WITHOUT COMPLICATION OR EVEN RIGHTS or other nonsense.
I think, all the “rights” and “permission” discussions are stuipid infact. Sure one can ask authors for permissions (in some cases), but if someone puts something out on the net… then why he puts it out, if he doesn´t want others to use it in the first place?
I tell you why. Those kind of persons enjoy to be “asked” or “begged” for something … they are targeting “reputution” and being “a##-licked” instead of really being interested in “serving others” and open minded sharing. Personally i dont operate with people like that - at all.Just my opinion …
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@A.S:
Agree (full LOD, not full 3Dmax). As i said… if someone gives you a “hand” for free, don´t rip out his “arm”.
I personally would give you the 3Dmax files, but if Nizmo has a problem with it, but still wants to share the LODs… why not?I’m not 100% if the 3DMax source is a must or not, but OTOH I don’t see a reason someone will deny his sources. It may or may not be a problem (maybe the 3DS to LOD exporter is enough, I don’t know really).
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Dee-Jay …. relax… you are getting this totally from the wrong end.
Do not worry … I just was kidding (and forgotten the smiley’s)
@A.S:
Agree (full LOD, not full 3Dmax)
This is up to the guy who is offering his work. And i the other hands, we can also deny an integration if we do not have the .max fies.
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but OTOH I don’t see a reason someone will deny his sources.
Nor do i to be honest.
I assume it is do to that fact of misunderstandings here, meaning once the true source is given out, he maybe fears to loose the original “control”???
Or he believes, that you guys will not allow him afterwards to change the original source (3dmax) … i don´t know.… too much “banana” in one milk-shake if you ask me … :mrgreen:
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I’m acting as a fly on the wall here, but let me ask this:
The ISSUE is control, right? Who posesses it? I think (from what A.S. is writing) and what I’m seeing written from the moderators - and I’m sure I can be wrong - is if somebody submits article X to BMS, they must allow BMS to own article X from then on, right? Whatever BMS wants to do with it BMS is allowed to. This seems to be what the moderators are saying, please correct me if I’m wrong.
What A.S. seems to be saying is once someone submits it to BMS, whatever it may be, do they no longer have the right to use it elsewhere? I.E. if you wanted to have something included in BMS but also in (DON’T read into this) FSX or DCS (I know the second one can start a flame war, it’s merely an example - deny air to those flames please) if the article could be handled in both software programs, can they still do that?
I’m not trying to put words into anyones mouth, but that’s what the situation seems to be like to me.
Cease Fire
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AS I read the thread (thanx I can read…) but why u answer since u r not a 3d creator? Let the 3d creators speak for them self’s.
Babite BMS never talked or asked for exclusive rights. This is AS assumption and created the argument here…
The 3ds files are wanted from BMS to avoid the back and forth for changes and to fine tune the models to better work with BMS gfx engine as they see fit.
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AS I read the thread (thanx I can read…) but why u answer since u r not a 3d creator? Let the 3d creators speak for them self’s.
Babite BMS never talked or asked for exclusive rights. This is AS assumption and created the argument here…
The 3ds files are wanted from BMS to avoid the back and forth for changes and to fine tune the models to better work with BMS gfx engine as they see fit.
Simple as thatLOL Arty, i really love your posts sometimes. Soo full of ….
PS: Why dont you let BMS speak for themself ?
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They did AS this is what we talk about here…
And here is your assumption:
@A.S:But i suppose if you say “source” in terms of 3D models, then you mean the LOD files for Falcon and not the 3Dmax source, because NO 3D art-developer will give you those.
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Finally, by seeing the 5 pages of post in the last few hours, I think that BMS should definitively say out of any “external” contribution.
Except on some case where the guy is well known by at least one of the BMS team member (example me and Radium) and can be more or less sure than things are clear and without any misunderstandings.
Here is a good example of clear collaboration : https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?18296-C-130-Hercules-series&p=263423&viewfull=1#post263423
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This is the reason why, I only intend to work from scratch, it’s always a nightmare to request rights of use and to maintain them in time.
So, I prefer doing everything, absolutely everything by myself, while, I am also happy to collaborate with people who only wish to work for themselves, with passion, under BMS requirements.
Cheers,
Radium
**P.S. : I add this form on this forum for everyone who would like to collaborate with me on the C-130 has to accept (publicity makes things clear for everybody) :
Article 1 : Everyone who would like to collaborate for the C-130 have to aknowledge the fact that they are aware they give their work with it’s full rights to the hereby C-130 developement team, and, if requested, to BMS.
Article 2 : Everyone who would like to collaborate for the C-130 revoke their right to cease and desist for the project this hereby form is dealing.
Article 3 : Everyone who would like to collaborate for the C-130 accept to ensure the support for it for what they are specialist in.
Article 4 : Everyone who would like to collaborate for the C-130 hereby declare to have build from scratch absolutely everything and that they do not use someone else work, even with permission if he didn’t accepted this form.**
In that case … possible troubles are reduced to a minimums.
Simple.
PPL who wants to play the game … they are welcome.
PPL who do not want … no prob. We won’t ask them.
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I think this is being made more complicated than it needs to be. People can create whatever they like and release here separate from BMS whenever they like (as long as it’s their original work, etc…). If it’s offered/requested to BMS to include in the base install, then it’s with the understanding that BMS can do what they want with it with no strings attached. Adding any other special circumstances will result in more trouble than it’s worth to all parties. And whether or not we agree with the need to get “all rights and permissions”, history has proven that is a neccessity or else there is trouble and/or the need for re-work which has opportunity cost on other things.
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I don’t think a 3d model creator or a skinner should be afraid about the control of own files. If you are the creator you get to have the main rights to edit in the future your material anyway. Honestly I should not have problems to share main sources if I’ll be always the official owner.
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Nizmo seemed to have fully understood and accepted
the deal
by post 7. The rest seems to be a couple of guys making a major argument and some confusion to readers. On his behalf ? -
Nizmo seemed to have fully understood and accepted
the deal
by post 7. The rest seems to be a couple of guys making a major argument and some confusion to readers. On his behalf ?I have the same feeling.
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I cant imagine having anything other than a .max file shared. Sure BMS needs the LOD but if they wanted to make an edit, its impossible without the source .max file.
If having the max file, BMS would OWN the file.
This I think is the only problem here. Complicated because BMS “needs” a c130, and we have. But giving .max files away hasn’t been talked about.
*edit- so we will talk
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If you want to offer your C-130, it must have LODs and of course, comply with BMS requirements.
If you do not want to create all the LOD … BMS could (maybe) make them, but in that case we need the .max files.
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Anyway no worries … Radium will probably start his own C-130 … and we will have all what we (BMS) need without any fears of “troubles” or risks misunderstandings.
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Nizmo seemed to have fully understood and accepted
the deal
by post 7. The rest seems to be a couple of guys making a major argument and some confusion to readers. On his behalf ?Nizmo joined the FO dev team and i was informed by him how “things were” with BMS (at least from his understanding), thus the interest in how things really are from both perspectives and how things can proceed. One always needs to hear both sides.
Long story short… communication is key… i hope you guys can solve everything in cool ways.
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hmmm Nizmo why does this sound as a retraction?
u create the file and lods. U share the files with BMS. They do whatever they want with those (BMS wise) they implement the model in BMS.
U have some errors either they ask of u to fix them or they fix them and inform u.
After some time u make some additions changes alteration u re submit your files.
Ain’t this the case?
What is the problem or not understanding here?
what is to talk about?
Did I misunderstood?
Unless joining FO dev team prevents u in a way to give files to BMS…???