Am I the only one who's missing something?
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If you meet a viper pilot on an airshow and he knows BMS and is impressed by this sim then this means a lot IMO.
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I rather think this is pretty damn off topic.
Pie, anyone?
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If you meet a viper pilot on an airshow and he knows BMS and is impressed by this sim then this means a lot IMO.
Agree, thatās one of the most definitive forms of recognition.
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Well I am not a real pilot but with bms I feel I could fly the actual jet [emoji4]
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@mookar:
With all my respect for DeeJay, for the sake of argument - how do I know that the conversation heās talking about actually took place :Dā¦ Anyway, enough b&^%sh(*&^%g around
Sure.
that some RL pilots could actually like/use BMS But I canāt give you one since I didnāt recorded the conversation as I didnāt expected to talk about it today. -
@mookar:
One question to you MavJP - are you a RL F16 pilot? And where do you draw conclusions about how this airplane should be flown from?
Well in quite a lot instances BMS is still pretty far off, Iām sure youāll agree on that Iām not talking about the aero braking solely but in general, no offence but 99% of the guys here are not RL F16 pilots, they are all ālearning it through the internet and the communityā, and your opinion would be worth more than theirs only if you were RL fighter jokey
Lol
I would be interested to know.where you think the fm is pretty far off.
Please elaborate because my popcorn is ready
I think you dont even realize how close it is actually
Just ask real pilots you will see.:)
About how i knownhow the plane should be flown ? Just read the real f16 manuals , no big deal.
To me.the aera that.needs improvment is the TEF CL/CD simply because NASA tp1538 did not included them in the wind tunnel testing
This leads to incorrect weight / speed approach at landings ā¦.generally around 10 to 15% off in speed
Much improved in next release where aditionnal TEF CL/CD vs AOA is implemented
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Sure. There is no proves that some RL pilots could actually like/use BMS But I canāt give you one since I didnāt recorded the conversation as I didnāt expected to talk about it today.
Yeah, itās OK, buddy, I just said it for the sake of argument with ASharp, itās nothing personal
I would be interested to know.where you think the fm is pretty far off.
I already elaborated on that - I was not referring the FM, but to things other than it.
This leads to incorrect weight / speed approach at landings ā¦.generally around 10 to 15% off in speed
Yeah, I suspect that the approach speeds are off a tad bit
Wow, overall you guys are very toutchy on the FM topic considering that I havenāt criticised it at all
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Pie, anyone?
ok, can we just eat that pie now? could i have that small piece over there, please.
coffee anyone?
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ok, can we just eat that pie now? could i have that small piece over there, please.
coffee anyone?
Waiting for 4.33 first[emoji3]
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It was a couple of pages ago in this topic, but a 5% slope doesnāt mean itās 5% all the way (which canāt btw, max is 2%, at least for civil aviation). What it refers to is the difference in altitude between runway thresholds. You could have a constant slope runway with a 2% threshold, and another runway with a lump on the middle of it and it would still be a 2% slope. All that matters is the altitude difference between the thresholds.
I thought BMS was all flat though
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ā¦a 5% slope doesnāt mean itās 5% all the way (which canāt btw, max is 2%, at least for civil aviation).
Are you talking about the glide slope, if yes then itās 3.00% almost exclusively for civi approaches
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3Ā° is not 3%. Three āper centā is āper one hundredā so 3/100 (feet, meters, Plank lengths itās all the same ratio) which is 1.718358001655457147243867810247ā¦Ā°
pina is saying for a regulation runway the grade cannot exceed 5% at any point nor 2% average over its entire length.
The runway grade shouldnāt change the tail-strike clearance because AoA is effectively the difference between the direction of travel and the nose position. On an upslope runway you are rolling a little uphill so you have to lift the nose a little higher relative to the gravity vector but thatās OK for clearance because the jetās butt is sticking out over lower runway by the same amount. The same is true for downslopes; it cancels so grade is invariant to tail clearance. Of course even extreme runways that any F-16 would operate on are less than a degree.
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3Ā° is not 3%. Three āper centā is āper one hundredā so 3/100 (feet, meters, Plank lengths itās all the same ratio) which is 1.718358001655457147243867810247ā¦Ā°
pina is saying for a regulation runway the grade cannot exceed 5% at any point nor 2% average over its entire length.
The runway grade shouldnāt change the tail-strike clearance because AoA is effectively the difference between the direction of travel and the nose position. On an upslope runway you are rolling a little uphill so you have to lift the nose a little higher relative to the gravity vector but thatās OK for clearance because the jetās butt is sticking out over lower runway by the same amount. The same is true for downslopes; it cancels so grade is invariant to tail clearance. Of course even extreme runways that any F-16 would operate on are less than a degree.
Correct. 3* GS.
4* to 5* for carrier ops in bad weather. You want to slap that deck hard and catch that hook quick in bad weather on a pitching/bouncing carrier. I have seen the deck pitch up to at least 12 feet during 15 to 20ft swells. Thatās enough to send a jet bouncing right back into the air without much to keep that jet airborne. Tricky business.
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Bloody hell. You all are going the right way to get voluntold for some mandatory pieā¦
Anyway. Not referring to glideslope. The discussion - meandering as it is, akin to a delta perhaps - was referring to the slope of the runway on non level ground. The reason that was brought up at all in the first place was because people were pointing out that when travelling downhill, the position of the gun cross does not accurately indicate the AoA and therefore how close to a tailstrike you are.
The original topic is FM errors in landing. Mookar has already indicated he is open to take any such discussion to PM - either start a thread if you want to lambast him publically, or take him up on his offer if not.
At the present rate of topic drift, I predict discussion of planetary destruction within 5 pagesā¦
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Read my final words about this subject in the thread āFor anyone who playsā.
This thread replies mainly refer to flyin corpses and flyin coffins doin āITā -
@Faman:
Read my final words about this subject in the thread āFor anyone who playsā.
This thread replies mainly refer to flyin corpses and flyin coffins doin āITāFor crying out loud dude. Get over yourself already.
I know first hand BMS is installed on several pcās in the Belgian Air Force. Not for official training but certain stuff can be done with it (think about fam training of certain parts for example). I also know of at least 2 active F-16 pilots whoāve tried BMS and confirmed flight model is about 99,99% accurate, aerobraking & yaw performance is dead on.
Of course, if you also consider combat ready F-16 pilots also flying corpses and coffins, please buy Tom Clancys Hawx and play some arcadeā¦ -
@Faman:
Read my final words about this subject ā¦
Thank **** for thatā¦
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If you put that attitude in learning the sim, you would be able to aerobrake like a pro by now
Just read the BMS-Dash1 manual in your docs folder, page 155 explaines it pretty well
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ok, can we just eat that pie now? could i have that small piece over there, please.
coffee anyone?