Am I the only one who's missing something?
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Very Nice thoughts Dee-jay, thanks. You and anyone who are in position to do it, should report more often such conversations.
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BMS is far superior to most of RL pro sim…
Wow what pro sims are you talking about, they sound ancient There are sims (the actual cockpit of a specific type of aircraft, a main tool during flight training, before you even touch the aircraft you’ll be flying in service) that, as you said, are geared towards the strictly procedural manner of things, reacting to failures and other important stuff. There are also sim that simulate the exact behavior of an airplane and implement it to a virtual environment. Would that virtual environment contain interaction with other airplanes (shooting at them or cooperating with them), evading or avoiding SAMs, cooperating with ground personal on various mission types, is entirely up to the operator who creates the scenario. So far I’ve heard of such sims as an analysis tool, a ‘what if’ testing instrument, people and whole departments in the security authority sector are paid hundreds of millions to develop and maintain those Do not forget that the ‘implementation’ of a new design of, an aircraft e.g., goes through those ‘scenarios’ to check its capability before prod. I doubt that even the wealthiest government would like spend hundreds of millions on a ‘non plausible and perspective design’
I doubt it would be such grief to make those software platforms ‘interactive’, with modern graphics and compatible with peripheral I/O devices. After all they have much more accurate data on different aspects of different munitions and equipment Heck, the monitoring and scoring equipment during Red Flag was based of something similar (that ‘tracked’ missile launches and evasion of the participants). -
So far you say “I’ve heard of” “To many to name” and “I don’t know the name” to support your theories.
Meanwhile Dee-Jay has referenced talking to an actual pilot, to say nothing of his accomplished work on BMS.
Do you have any actual evidence? Because your entire argument here is nothing more then unsubstantiated claims.
If that’s your argument, then I’m actually a Billionaire son of Tony Stark, and you can’t prove otherwise because I’ve heard it’s true, my sources are to many to list, and I can’t tell you the name of anyone who can corroborate my story.
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@mookar:
Wow what pro sims are you talking about, they sound ancient…
Usualy, flight sims are developed in the same time than the aircraft itself … Yes, they have been almost all retrofited, but again, it HIGHLY depends on avaibable budget. I do not remeber how much cost the A400M’s simulator (mostly based on the A380’s sim) but it is huge. And like any other aircrafts capabilities, features depends on military request vs allowed $£€
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ATM, I have ever seen a pro sim able to generate an ATO automaticaly.
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So far you say “I’ve heard of”…
Well, what do you expect me to say, I’m not an employee in such a sector nor am I an expert on the subject. I read about this stuff as have you perhaps, so chill out dude, no reason to be an a^%
…“To many to name”…
I was referring to the list of positive changes that should be made to BMS in order to improve it and this has been discussed before so you could reference it in other dedicated threads
…“I don’t know the name”…
You could reference it through a search in documents section in the web. Again- whatever is declass should come out at 'ya. A computer game forum is not the most suitable place to chit chat about such stuff.
Meanwhile Dee-Jay has referenced talking to an actual pilot
With all my respect for DeeJay, for the sake of argument - how do I know that the conversation he’s talking about actually took place :D… Anyway, enough b&^%sh(*&^%g around
Do you have any actual evidence?
What do you fancy I am - a detective, a lawyer, a prosecutor in court :D:D:D Most of the guys here know what I’m talking about It’s a hobby thing, people read on it if they like and collaborate with the community.
If that’s your argument, then I’m actually a Billionaire son of Tony Stark, and you can’t prove otherwise because I’ve heard it’s true, my sources are to many to list, and I can’t tell you the name of anyone who can corroborate my story.
You seem to be very keen on this debate thing, write a few line PM and we’ll argue if you want but do not bother people that don’t care in the forum of a community among which I’ve met very good follows and of which I proudly feel as a part
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That said, of course BMS will NEVER replace a pro sim. But thinking that this sim is just a simple video game is just wrong
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If you meet a viper pilot on an airshow and he knows BMS and is impressed by this sim then this means a lot IMO.
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I rather think this is pretty damn off topic.
Pie, anyone?
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If you meet a viper pilot on an airshow and he knows BMS and is impressed by this sim then this means a lot IMO.
Agree, that’s one of the most definitive forms of recognition.
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Well I am not a real pilot but with bms I feel I could fly the actual jet [emoji4]
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@mookar:
With all my respect for DeeJay, for the sake of argument - how do I know that the conversation he’s talking about actually took place :D… Anyway, enough b&^%sh(*&^%g around
Sure.
that some RL pilots could actually like/use BMS But I can’t give you one since I didn’t recorded the conversation as I didn’t expected to talk about it today. -
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One question to you MavJP - are you a RL F16 pilot? And where do you draw conclusions about how this airplane should be flown from?
Well in quite a lot instances BMS is still pretty far off, I’m sure you’ll agree on that I’m not talking about the aero braking solely but in general, no offence but 99% of the guys here are not RL F16 pilots, they are all ‘learning it through the internet and the community’, and your opinion would be worth more than theirs only if you were RL fighter jokey
Lol
I would be interested to know.where you think the fm is pretty far off.
Please elaborate because my popcorn is ready
I think you dont even realize how close it is actually
Just ask real pilots you will see.:)
About how i knownhow the plane should be flown ? Just read the real f16 manuals , no big deal.
To me.the aera that.needs improvment is the TEF CL/CD simply because NASA tp1538 did not included them in the wind tunnel testing
This leads to incorrect weight / speed approach at landings ….generally around 10 to 15% off in speed
Much improved in next release where aditionnal TEF CL/CD vs AOA is implemented
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Sure. There is no proves that some RL pilots could actually like/use BMS But I can’t give you one since I didn’t recorded the conversation as I didn’t expected to talk about it today.
Yeah, it’s OK, buddy, I just said it for the sake of argument with ASharp, it’s nothing personal
I would be interested to know.where you think the fm is pretty far off.
I already elaborated on that - I was not referring the FM, but to things other than it.
This leads to incorrect weight / speed approach at landings ….generally around 10 to 15% off in speed
Yeah, I suspect that the approach speeds are off a tad bit
Wow, overall you guys are very toutchy on the FM topic considering that I haven’t criticised it at all
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Pie, anyone?
ok, can we just eat that pie now? could i have that small piece over there, please.
coffee anyone?
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ok, can we just eat that pie now? could i have that small piece over there, please.
coffee anyone?
Waiting for 4.33 first[emoji3]
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It was a couple of pages ago in this topic, but a 5% slope doesn’t mean it’s 5% all the way (which can’t btw, max is 2%, at least for civil aviation). What it refers to is the difference in altitude between runway thresholds. You could have a constant slope runway with a 2% threshold, and another runway with a lump on the middle of it and it would still be a 2% slope. All that matters is the altitude difference between the thresholds.
I thought BMS was all flat though
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…a 5% slope doesn’t mean it’s 5% all the way (which can’t btw, max is 2%, at least for civil aviation).
Are you talking about the glide slope, if yes then it’s 3.00% almost exclusively for civi approaches
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3° is not 3%. Three “per cent” is “per one hundred” so 3/100 (feet, meters, Plank lengths it’s all the same ratio) which is 1.718358001655457147243867810247…°
pina is saying for a regulation runway the grade cannot exceed 5% at any point nor 2% average over its entire length.
The runway grade shouldn’t change the tail-strike clearance because AoA is effectively the difference between the direction of travel and the nose position. On an upslope runway you are rolling a little uphill so you have to lift the nose a little higher relative to the gravity vector but that’s OK for clearance because the jet’s butt is sticking out over lower runway by the same amount. The same is true for downslopes; it cancels so grade is invariant to tail clearance. Of course even extreme runways that any F-16 would operate on are less than a degree.
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3° is not 3%. Three “per cent” is “per one hundred” so 3/100 (feet, meters, Plank lengths it’s all the same ratio) which is 1.718358001655457147243867810247…°
pina is saying for a regulation runway the grade cannot exceed 5% at any point nor 2% average over its entire length.
The runway grade shouldn’t change the tail-strike clearance because AoA is effectively the difference between the direction of travel and the nose position. On an upslope runway you are rolling a little uphill so you have to lift the nose a little higher relative to the gravity vector but that’s OK for clearance because the jet’s butt is sticking out over lower runway by the same amount. The same is true for downslopes; it cancels so grade is invariant to tail clearance. Of course even extreme runways that any F-16 would operate on are less than a degree.
Correct. 3* GS.
4* to 5* for carrier ops in bad weather. You want to slap that deck hard and catch that hook quick in bad weather on a pitching/bouncing carrier. I have seen the deck pitch up to at least 12 feet during 15 to 20ft swells. That’s enough to send a jet bouncing right back into the air without much to keep that jet airborne. Tricky business.