I'm not done with you yet, U8
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LOL XD
So, what about the rudder needs to be ‘fixed’? I think roll occurs as a secondary effect of the yaw of the rudder. Am I a computer now?
Can you clarify what you meant about the ‘computerworld becoming valid’?
Point 2, I absolutely agree with, the jet really does use too much fuel in afterburner. My solution is to avoid using afterburner, I find my fuel lasts way longer that way…
Point 3, Need a little more information on, CMBT SPD is not over 800 knots in all configurations.
Still, Im sure that if any of the above points agree with the dash, the BMS team will be happy to listen to them.
I find my MFDs are also sensitive to pilot error, too.
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Mmm… Too obvious, won’t bite, sorry. But nice try.
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It seems to me that your concern should be adressed to loockeed martin rather than BMS
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@Faman:
I’m still waitin for Update 8 to make major corrections to Falcon BMS 4.32. ….
Sounds like it could be a long wait.
It seems to me that your concern should be adressed to loockeed martin rather than BMS
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2. The jet consumes much too much fuel on afterburner and you don’t last long on a fuel load in a dogfight using the afterburner.
Have you ever seen RL data…?
https://info.publicintelligence.net/HAF-F16-Supplement.pdf3. How bout getting stuck on the same 600 knots at full afterburner while you just emptied your payload and are RTB. That should be on 600 knots with mil power and over 800 with afterburner.
Considering the weight and airfriction of the weapon pylons before and afterwards.Check TAS and Mach number and not only CAS…
Was this some kind of troll post or just April 1 came sooner this year…?
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Have you ever seen RL data…?
https://info.publicintelligence.net/HAF-F16-Supplement.pdfCheck TAS and Mach number and not only CAS…
Was this some kind of troll post or just April 1 came sooner this year…?
Yes, its a troll post. September of '13 and November of '14 he had the same complaints more or less.
Also, Im pretty sure that linking that RL data is not allowed since the rules update for the forums.
EDIT: https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?16604-Am-I-the-only-one-who-s-missing-something
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?19962-For-anyone-who-plays
Some previous trolling. I think Haukka81 had a pretty good suggestion in one of those threads.
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Hell yeh, Gun fight at the Gwangju Corral Staring Burt & Ernie Douglas, DeForest Station, The Fifth Fleet & introducing Lee Chan Cleef as the DB manager.
PS: I see Molni took the bait and ran, That there is a 60lb line my friend.
A quote from Yahoo Answers “If you are trolling, 50 to 100 pound test lines will be more suitable.” But I think they were talking about fishing.
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@Faman:
… (Fligh model rant) …
:munch:
P.S.: time for a joke: “Chuck Norris’ private jet has no ailerons. He rolls his plane with rudder only.”
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Hi Faman, it’s a completely normal effect, that the ac will start rolling by using the rudder. I try to explain to you: Think about the aircraft is flying straight and the sorounding air flows steady around the aircraft. Now you step into your rudder, say left. While the rudders moves left, the airflow gets disturbed and the restistance gets bigger. Because that, the left side of the aircraft slows down and the right side is still on the same or even a higher speed than before. And even as a virtual Pilot you should know, that lift gets less, when speed decreases. So we have less speed and lift on the left side than on the right side. This effect is not that hard by rudder usage, but much stronger by using the ailerons. So I don’t know how big this effect effects the Viper but it exists.
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@Faman:
I’m still waitin for Update 8 to make major corrections to Falcon BMS 4.32.
1. The rudder must be fixed! Only the computer “thinks” roll occurs with yaw of the rudder. This makes no sense if you think about it in physics, natural or not. But with computer stupidty manipulatin the rudder with “roll” seems normal. It wasn’t normal 'till the computerworld became valid and people wanted to fly just like the machine and thought “roll” was neccesary with rudder. Well, you wouldn’t build a rudder on a plane’s tail with such useless movement you could rather do with a joystick and ailerons.2. The jet consumes much too much fuel on afterburner and you don’t last long on a fuel load in a dogfight using the afterburner.
3. How bout getting stuck on the same 600 knots at full afterburner while you just emptied your payload and are RTB. That should be on 600 knots with mil power and over 800 with afterburner.
Considering the weight and airfriction of the weapon pylons before and afterwards.Also the MFD’s work not seemlessly together with radar and weapons and are sensitive to error.
So BMS, still some work to do; even Falcon 4.0 did better on those points!
Waow ……
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@Faman:
Now hear this Fallow Falcon Fans, I have come to new enlightment without politics and religion…
I was discussin the rudder problem on another forum of the WW2 flightsim Cliffs of Dover and came to the followin conclusion:
Before the year 2000 Falcon 4.0 was realistic in a real world that still excisted. It seems only me can remember the excellent simulation of nose up drag on the runway after touchdown.
I tried and managed this in Falcon BMS but it simply said works like shit, don’t forget the so-called AoA of 13 degrees doesn’t make much of a difference.
Don’t forget you’re close to landing the bird on it’s tail and crash… I guess it’s meant for other industry called porm.The rudder SHOULD yaw only as this was realistic in the real world on planet earth before 2000. Later on you were fooled by the computerworld on a planet that doesn’t seem to excist.
The Fools adjusted this according to the rules and behaviour of the porm-industry. So in fact you’re a pilot on Planet Whorus!End you missed the nuclear war, WW3 was fought out already long time ago…
I’m so sorry, Mister President…More wow…
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Hi Faman, it’s a completely normal effect, that the ac will start rolling by using the rudder. I try to explain to you: Think about the aircraft is flying straight and the sorounding air flows steady around the aircraft. Now you step into your rudder, say left. While the rudders moves left, the airflow gets disturbed and the restistance gets bigger. Because that, the left side of the aircraft slows down and the right side is still on the same or even a higher speed than before. And even as a virtual Pilot you should know, that lift gets less, when speed decreases. So we have less speed and lift on the left side than on the right side. This effect is not that hard by rudder usage, but much stronger by using the ailerons. So I don’t know how big this effect effects the Viper but it exists.
Simply one term is helpful. Adverse yaw.
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@Faman:
I’m still waitin for Update 8 to make major corrections to Falcon BMS 4.32.
1. The rudder must be fixed! Only the computer “thinks” roll occurs with yaw of the rudder. This makes no sense if you think about it in physics, natural or not. But with computer stupidty manipulatin the rudder with “roll” seems normal. It wasn’t normal 'till the computerworld became valid and people wanted to fly just like the machine and thought “roll” was neccesary with rudder. Well, you wouldn’t build a rudder on a plane’s tail with such useless movement you could rather do with a joystick and ailerons.2. The jet consumes much too much fuel on afterburner and you don’t last long on a fuel load in a dogfight using the afterburner.
3. How bout getting stuck on the same 600 knots at full afterburner while you just emptied your payload and are RTB. That should be on 600 knots with mil power and over 800 with afterburner.
Considering the weight and airfriction of the weapon pylons before and afterwards.Also the MFD’s work not seemlessly together with radar and weapons and are sensitive to error.
So BMS, still some work to do; even Falcon 4.0 did better on those points!
Please moderators … create a “Funniest Posts room” and put this one in sticky.
@ Faman:
@Faman:
I’m still waitin for Update 8 to make major corrections to Falcon BMS 4.32.
Sorry mate, but you will have to wait for the Up8.
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@ Moderator: Please, stick also those one :
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?19962-For-anyone-who-plays
… two of his threads locked already ! … Seems we have a “survivor superstar” here. I like him!
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So good to laugh a little here! It made my day!
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P.S.: time for a joke: “Chuck Norris’ private jet has no ailerons. He rolls his plane with rudder only.”
Jokes apart, do you know that this is possible on Mirage F1. During a back seat in 2003, the pilot (and it wasn’t Chuck!) made an entire 360° roll in low level only using the rudder (I was seeing his hands holding the canopy handles!) … true story!
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@Faman:
blablah FM needs fixing
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Like Lyndon Baines Johnson, we shall reply….
Damn! you’re all VC twisted. Don’t wear that black pyjama again not even when you’re a member of a cult in the USA.
Let me tell you about the good old world before the Vietnam UFO in 68-69 and I’m not trollin you. Afterwards the world became illusive just like the Matrix you’re livin in now. And you believe the illusion while you believe nothing.
Believe nothing as it is. Even a countin falcon will tell “believe in me, cause I don’t believe in anything”.Togather your replies in short; No I’m not a troll, I’m about true and real even in the illusion. The workin of the rudder in todays flightsims is a computer illusion and not how the brothers Wright and Lockheed Martin or Skunk Works meant or implemented natural physics. It’s even the collaboration of the socalled world girl between an “iron jaw” and a “show roll” as displayed in the Vietnam UFO incident. Chuck Norris could subscribe to the old Royal Flying CORPSE for THAT.
Cat I/III respondin, bite meat while you haven’t ate for quite a long while; Maybe plastic will do. The Soul can wait, we rest on soil and the alien Sol is gettin impatient with US.
No, you’re really gettin slow both on CAS, TAS and Mach. You all need afterburner in a dogfight! Spare me your DED display.
KorBI, you’re talkin senseless nonsense only the computer understand nothin less; maybe the guys respondin above you get it.So BMS guys, show me what you god or I rather refer you to Falcon 4.0 back in the good old days, not perfect bet more good and better then Falcon BMS 4.32.
Oh yea, I forgot point
4. Lousy flare brake on the runway, even Falcon 4.0 did much better then that.Or are you havin a better of best version on that side I don’t know of on this side. I don’t know THAT…
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Why you don’t just play the good old Falcon 4.0?
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So Faman, why are you flyin BMS?
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Oooohhh it seems we have a highly graduated flight engineer !!! I’m soooooo proud.
BTW, before saying that things are not correct, you should check the flight manuals before.
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Gyro, is that you ?
On the off chance that you are not a troll, 2 things :
1 - read these articles, all of them, thoroughly. And then you can complain about the FM……
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/content.php?45-documentation2 - comparaison effect of pure rudder in a REAL F-16 and in the sim (edit - busted by Amraam )
Convinced yet ?