Does anyone use BMS at a lower resolution than 1920x1080
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why?
Are you for real? Do you honestly think we can all afford to buy such elaborate systems? Some of us live in the real world you know!
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Are you for real? Do you honestly think we can all afford to buy such elaborate systems? Some of us live in the real world you know!
Um, a 1920x1080 24" screen is hardly an “elaborate” system as these can be had for the price of a 256GB SSD… or are those “elaborate” systems too?
Also, there exists a concept in the real world that should help in getting such elaborate systems… it’s called “overtime” -
Um, a 1920x1080 24" screen is hardly an “elaborate” system as these can be had for the price of a 256GB SSD… or are those “elaborate” systems too?
Also, there exists a concept in the real world that should help in getting such elaborate systems… it’s called “overtime”Depends what part of the real world you live in……
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Um, a 1920x1080 24" screen is hardly an “elaborate” system as these can be had for the price of a 256GB SSD… or are those “elaborate” systems too?
Also, there exists a concept in the real world that should help in getting such elaborate systems… it’s called “overtime”You have 5 screens there.
Try working in a salaried management position then claiming overtime. Wake up son.
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You have 5 screens there.
Try working in a salaried management position then claiming overtime. Wake up son.
Or just having a life outside a game.
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I don’t say that to be mean. But to put it in perspective:
Every one of those monitors would probably cover a week of going out to the pub. Or a really nice date with an actual woman you met while at said pub. Or a monthly payment on a car. Nicer apartment. New TV. Flying lessons to be able to experience a form of your passion in real life. Fees for a sports club. Just saying there is more to life than Falcon, you would be hard pressed to use that rig for any other kind of gaming and not be absolutely annoyed by all the other stuff on the desk. -
You have 5 screens there.
I wasn’t talking about my setup, I was talking about a SINGLE 1920x1080 24" screen. Mine are 27" for the displays.
Try working in a salaried management position then claiming overtime. Wake up son.
I’m not even in management…. no idea what “salaried management position” has to do with overtime.
Consider this though – if a foreigner can do this in under 5 years of being in the UK, all the while supporting a family (2 kids), wife only doing part-time work and studying at the same time, absolutely no access to any government benefits (part of the condition of my work visa), suffering a major event (father-in-law died) where we had to go home and had to fork out a lot of money to help the extended family, pay for wife+2 kids visa application, pay for 4 visa renewals, indefinite leave, english exams, Life in the UK exams, and citizenship for all 4 of us, all during the austerity period where salary has been capped since I worked here, well, somebody needs to wake up and it’s not me.Or just having a life outside a game.
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I don’t say that to be mean. But to put it in perspective:
Every one of those monitors would probably cover a week of going out to the pub. Or a really nice date with an actual woman you met while at said pub. Or a monthly payment on a car. Nicer apartment. New TV. Flying lessons to be able to experience a form of your passion in real life. Fees for a sports club. Just saying there is more to life than Falcon, you would be hard pressed to use that rig for any other kind of gaming and not be absolutely annoyed by all the other stuff on the desk.Are you saying I don’t have life outside gaming?
I “fly” X-Wing and have a sizeable set of miniatures (Fantasy Flight Games). I also have loads for Armada, again, by Fantasy Flight games. WH40K armies, but not really big enough. Tau, Space Marines, and just starting Eldar. Quite a few boardgames. Magic The Gathering and Pokemon card games, as well as around 4 deckbuilding card games. Had a membership with a gliding club for a year (and thoroughly impressed even the regional gliding examiner, and have been flying my own aerotow since flight 1, thanks to skills developed from flight simming!) and had a few flights in a Cessna. More go-kart sessions than I’d care to admit and we’re setting up to try airsoft/paintball this year too. Car was bought 2nd-hand for cash and is a 7-seater 2010 model. Our first TV was bought for £200 from a guy who was upgrading from a 42" to 55" or something. Second TV was bought for £100 from someone else who was also upgrading, and we “donated” (free!) our first TV to a new family that just moved to the UK.
Hehehehe… so yeah, you’re probably right. I do have a life outside of PC simming, but it also consists of “gaming.” I don’t smoke and don’t really drink outside of social occasions like birthdays or anniversaries. We tend to be quite “smart” with our money but as “gaming” is one of our “luxuries,” we tend to be a bit more open on the spending on that front.
I think the best way to put this in perspective — a few of my colleagues here in the UK go on some really silly holidays once or twice a year, plus countless “nights out with the GF!” They probably spend £800 per holiday? Maybe another £400 a year on alcohol? We don’t do any of that… being new in the UK, the entire country is a holiday destination!! Growing up in a tropical climate means we don’t really stumble all over everybody and everything to get holidays in Turkey/Greece/Cyprus/etc.
So again, if a foreigner can build the above PC in under 5 years of being in the country, well… I don’t really know what to tell you.
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Depends what part of the real world you live in……
Touche! I know a few simmers in Spain, Portugal, Brazil, and Italy (or was it Greece) that would totally agree with you there. Heck, if I was back home in the Philippines, there’s no way I could afford even a fraction of what I could here in the UK.
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I really wasn’t trying to be mean. Just making a general statement for the onlookers. If gaming and simming is your big hobby then more power to you. It just goes both ways I guess is what I was getting at? I see far too often when people have hardware related questions the reply will be “get better hardware” or “I use this $1500 piece of hardware and it works great…”. But a lot of people have different interests and simming is not always the way of life for some as it is for others. I feel like it’s too easy for hard core guys to forget that YOUR setup is YOURS, and people shouldn’t be judged up or down for the level in which THEY choose to invest in their gaming (Or not invest for that matter). My comment was really more to put in perspective that some people do things outside of gaming and shouldn’t feel bad, or be made light of, when their other interests preclude them from having all the same bells and whistles. I’m sure everyone would love to have the front of an F16 lobbed off at the canopy hinge and delivered to the house for their own simming pleasure, but it just isn’t in the cards for most people.
Sorry if it came off kind of brash, that wasn’t my intent.
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Don’t worry, didn’t get any “mean” vibes from it at all and totally got your point.
I come across this all the time when discussing HOTAS. I would recommend the TM WH in a heartbeat, and can easily counter any “it’s expensive” statements by giving a breakdown of how much it costs vs. how long it’ll last. I think I got it to cost just a few pence per hour after a certain point. If you’re a serious simmer looking for serious gear, then the WH is one of the best investments you can make for your hobby. If you’re here testing the waters, coming from Ace Combat and want to see if flight simming is for you, then getting the WH may not be a sensible choice….
But therein lies the problem with any hobby. If you wanted to race go-karts but got stuck in a kart that wasn’t tuned properly, you may walk away thinking the hobby is crap… but if you were given a finely tuned race kart that could turn on a dime, you may walk away thinking how to get a second mortgage on your house and how to break the news to your wife… and how to get a divorce if she wasn’t going to support this new awesome hobby you’ve found. Heck, even if we were just to talk about PC sim racing… if you were to play Assetto Corsa or Project Cars on a small 4:3 ratio 19" screen with GTX 550 card using a Playstation controller or one of those steering wheels with rubber bands inside, you may walk away thinking how could somebody be addicted to sim racing… but if you had a go on a triple 28" screen or wraparound projector setup using a Logi G27/G29/Thrustmaster/Fanatec steering wheels with a TrackIR for head movement, you may walk away thinking how you can convert the guest room into a man-cave.
So how do you balance getting a good experience but committing only little money? That’s one of the biggest challenges. Try air-to-air refuelling using a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro… with that tiny little throttle control, it’s an exercise in frustration management. Do it with a finely-tuned Cougar or Warthog and after a while, it becomes a relaxing experience. Does that mean that the guy with the Logitech should feel bad? No. However, he should be aware of the limitations of his hardware and adjust his expectations to suit.
Sure, my setup is MINE and I had to acquire a lot of other skills in order to get it to where it is now, particularly woodworking to build my own pit… and getting the right tools for the job. But that’s because I realize that to get the job done, I had to have the right tools — whether it be cutting a slab of MDF or hooking up to the tanker in a turn.
I posted my reply to show others that even with my setup, it does not mean I had to sacrifice my family or sell a kidney to get to where it is now. Falcon or PC flight simming isn’t my one-and-only hobby either. I also mentioned the timeframe so people can get a sense of scale in terms of time. Is it for everyone? Nope, definitely not. Is it do-able for someone who wants to give it a go? Definitely! If you think my setup is hardcore, just have a visit over the Viperpits forums and you’ll see how much of a newbie I am!
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How much you are able to enjoy your ‘simming’, ‘gaming’ or any other leisure activity is a highly subjective feeling, moreover, it’s totally unmeasurable, so it cannot be readily compared between, say, two individuals having totally different software / hardware / peripherals. And MorteSil’s got a valid point saying that ‘some people do things outside gaming’. I have one monitor, a simple Thrustmaster stick with a throttle, but not HOTAS, I don’t have a TIR system (and don’t plan on buying one in foreseeable future), my gfx card is certainly obsolete by today’s standards; does that mean that I’m a loser and should quit? Well, if I sold my acoustic LAG Tramontane and my Gibson SG electric, I would, most likely, be able to afford at least some of the simming outfit commonly regarded as ‘better’. Fortunately, not absolutely required (yet)… And yes, I do enjoy flying the Viper as well as some other aircraft in BMS even though I usually get low FPS and my SA sucks sometimes. OTOH, I must proudly state that I’ve never had slightest problems related to BMS installation and updating, my install never crashes or freezes at any point and I’ve never experienced any of the stability issues many people report in these forums, even users whose comp and peripherals beat mine hands down.
If someone has a top notch comp and peripherals - that’s fine, congrats, I’m not going to deny it helps in many respects, e.g. to achieve better SA, but how much satisfaction from simming a player gets remains an open question.
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How much you are able to enjoy your ‘simming’, ‘gaming’ or any other leisure activity is a highly subjective feeling, moreover, it’s totally unmeasurable, so it cannot be readily compared between, say, two individuals having totally different software / hardware / peripherals.
Sure, leisure activity is a subjective feeling but I’m not saying comparing between two individuals… I’m saying ONE individual under different circumstances may walk away with totally different “feelings” based on the experience given to them by the software/hardware/peripherals. It is a TOTALLY measurable feeling, but it is a SUBJECTIVE measure… but is still measurable and thus can be used to compare stuff.
You like your guitars and you like playing music. Would your “highly subjective feeling” be the same with a Gibson SG as it would be with a £50 or even £100 guitar?
The point isn’t who is better or worse, the point isn’t who is the winner or the loser. The point is giving an individual the best possible experience to get the best possible feeling of the hobby. The point is better hardware does give a better experience.
Well, if I sold my acoustic LAG Tramontane and my Gibson SG electric, I would, most likely, be able to afford at least some of the simming outfit commonly regarded as ‘better’. Fortunately, not absolutely required (yet)… And yes, I do enjoy flying the Viper as well as some other aircraft in BMS even though I usually get low FPS and my SA sucks sometimes.
And here is an example of preferences or priorities. Clearly, your music is more a priority for you in terms of spending your free time and disposable income. But I wasn’t making this point at all.
If someone has a top notch comp and peripherals - that’s fine, congrats, I’m not going to deny it helps in many respects, e.g. to achieve better SA, but how much satisfaction from simming a player gets remains an open question.
Keeping everything you have now as it is, but adding in some better hardware, say a TrackIR and you find out it helps you achieve much, much better SA, you don’t see yourself getting more satisfaction in simming? Suddenly, you can dogfight much better. You can padlock targets and get a feel of your orientation in 3D space based on your neck angle and extension. You instinctively know whether you’re gaining or losing in the turning fight just based on whether you’re craning your neck more or not. You can flip between checking 3 o’clock and 9 o’clock faster than you could ever have. You can do all of that and more with a TrackIR and you are telling me you won’t find your simming time more satisfying?
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I’m very envious of Ice’s setup but the reality is, some of us don’t have any additional money for such a setup. I certainly don’t - single income family, huge mortgage, kids in school, etc. Whatever spare funds we have, and isn’t eaten up by things like car maintenance (Buy a Warthog or get 4 new tires and a service?) goes into things like road trips and skiing holidays.
Still, I’m sure things like head tracking helps to make your BMS experience better so I’m looking into building an ED Tracker, as soon as I can get my joysticks converted. I think the idea of a large touch screen monitor is brilliant - they aren’t cheap (and hard to find locally here) but it should be more flexible than actually 3D-printing and building MFDs and ICP, etc. (Although nothing beats pushing real buttons). I guess we all just make do with what we have. What is cheap for others is simply beyond the financial means of someone else.
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I project onto the wall in 1920x1080 but i stretch it out to basically be like a 50 inch screen, more or less. What I deal with is some vertical warping . I actually wanted to ask, are any of you using combined displays above 50 inch max? what would you start with resolution wise baseline for that size or does size not matter. I’m really green with this, I just turn the knob till it looks right.
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1080p STILL won’t let me view 2 facing PDF pages in a reasonable font size. That is, unless I manually use a separate app to trim the margins. The font is still too small otherwise.
Haha… Left you similar msg yesterday on opentrack.git (interpolation of deadzones, 2 months ago) … My main PSU exploded a month back … funny thing
…1680x1050 = 16:10 (here also)
Hey,
I don’t fully understand. Is there anything to take care of?
PSU breaker shorting is one thing but the thing exploding? What happened?
I heavily not recommend using coins as breakers btw
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1080p STILL won’t let me view 2 facing PDF pages in a reasonable font size. That is, unless I manually use a separate app to trim the margins. The font is still too small otherwise.
Hey,I don’t fully understand. Is there anything to take care of?
PSU breaker shorting is one thing but the thing exploding? What happened?I heavily not recommend using coins as breakers btw
Hehe, funny guy. No! I didn’t use coins for breakers, or wire. I swear
I was chatting on mobile , then out of nowhere, BLAM BLAM BLAM , and stuff was shutting down one by one. Some smoke and burned electrical stench. Cute sight.
‘My friend, this is the end of a beautiful friendship …’ I thought.
After opening that psu, nothing special …smell… one small 4x10mm (4.7u) condenser blew , right below mosfets , the cap was deformed at the top how hard it hit something… like a bullet.
I asked myself …but why did it blew 3 times ?
… after unsoldering radiator with mosfets , there I saw. One had a 3mm hole/crack in center , the other was cracked diagonally… so… there are those 3 explosions.
Probably condenser alu-foil, when blew , shorted ‘something’ and max current draw through mosfets blowing them up also in process.Given it was only (marked) 550W … it still has 30-40? amps @5V … that nice current could burn everything.
I was very very very very nicely surprised finding out nothing else got burned, almost unbelievable … probably some good Chinese soul put ‘operating quality’ surge protection in psu…Yeah … Hope nobody will ever have to testimony experience like this.
Cheers…
ps. btw … last opentrack is working very nice, little slower because of debug version-(that will come off in future?)… but precise, and steady.
(hehe, and I know your dirty little secret, what will come in next version, hint: zoom/smoothing … right? ) -
I’m not even in management…. no idea what “salaried management position” has to do with overtime.
Consider this though – if a foreigner can do this in under 5 years of being in the UK, all the while supporting a family (2 kids), wife only doing part-time work and studying at the same time, absolutely no access to any government benefits (part of the condition of my work visa), suffering a major event (father-in-law died) where we had to go home and had to fork out a lot of money to help the extended family, pay for wife+2 kids visa application, pay for 4 visa renewals, indefinite leave, english exams, Life in the UK exams, and citizenship for all 4 of us, all during the austerity period where salary has been capped since I worked here, well, somebody needs to wake up and it’s not me.-Ice, my point is, working in a salaried management position means I can work or 40 or 80 hours a week (not unknown or uncommon) and not earn a penny more than my contacted amount. I know several immigrants to the UK who can tell a similar story as you have here, and all of them command and get my respect - they certainly do show the average UK ned lazy good for nothing dole-scrounging bastards how it should be done.
BUT - as I said, not everyone has the means to spend large amounts of cash on what are essentially toys.
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-Ice, my point is, working in a salaried management position means I can work or 40 or 80 hours a week (not unknown or uncommon) and not earn a penny more than my contacted amount.
Same here. I work in ICT and there is no overtime in my contract, “it goes with the job”. If I work 60 hours or 80, I don’t earn a dime more. (Though I may get time in lieu, depending on circumstances.)
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my main screen - triple 27" with NVIDIA surround - uses 8000x1440 with bezel correction.
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goes into things like road trips and skiing holidays.
See, I don’t have skiing holidays!
it should be more flexible than actually 3D-printing and building MFDs and ICP, etc. (Although nothing beats pushing real buttons). I guess we all just make do with what we have.
Indeed! The best thing about the setup is that a few image changes later and I can have an F-18 cockpit. Nothing beats a physical, tactile response from a real switch though…. but I don’t have the time or space to build an F-16 cockpit then an F-18 cockpit…
I project onto the wall in 1920x1080 but i stretch it out to basically be like a 50 inch screen, more or less. What I deal with is some vertical warping . I actually wanted to ask, are any of you using combined displays above 50 inch max? what would you start with resolution wise baseline for that size or does size not matter. I’m really green with this, I just turn the knob till it looks right.
Ther should be no vertical warping if you’re stretching the pciture correctly. A 16:9 ratio picture should look the same whether it’s on a 15" screen or a 50" screen, the only difference is the size of the picture. For my setup with 5896x1080 resolution, I just adust the FOV so that my center screen still shows what would be shown in a single 1920x1080 setup.
1080p STILL won’t let me view 2 facing PDF pages in a reasonable font size. That is, unless I manually use a separate app to trim the margins. The font is still too small otherwise.
Screen size. 1080p on 24" and the font can be small, 27" or bigger and the font is readable. Heck, I use my living room TV, 40" or so at 1080p and it’s more than readable!