4.37 killed the AMRAAM
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It had been starting in 4.35 and 4.36 but now 4.37 killed the AMRAAM. Been playing Tiger Spirit and have noticed the Aim-120B/C is so bad it can’t even hit an AN_72 from 15 miles hard locked in STT mode. Out of 4 shots in 4 different engagements through the campaign, 2 have missed. All supported to Pitbull and no hard maneuvering from the enemy.
Now let’s talk about engaging JUST Su-27’s!!! Impossible. Out of 30 some odd engagements, I have 2 kills, maybe 3. Now most of these have been supported to Pitbull and others have had to be snipped because the SU-27 is launching out of AMRAAM range. I have been to 36000 ft and 1.12 Mach with a 20 degree loft, others have been straight on and some have been within 15 miles. MOST of the time even at 1200+kt closure they’ll just turn and outrun it every time. I’m not getting shot down that much (maybe 5 of thos times) because I respect the MAR and I’m in the crank when I launching but keeping the Su in the gimbles when able to support until Pitbull, but the sad part is I can see the SU in the TGP still HOT and not disengaging until after I crank away once Pitbull.
I like realism but this isn’t fun anymore. (I fly with 100% realism at all times)
Rant over
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Some ACMI would be great, maybe the experts here can figure out something.
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@hiuuz lol, I hear ya, but with so many FUBAR engagements, I don’t know if the forum has enough bandwidth
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@WPNS24 Just a couple of them would be a start.
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Discussed many times…
STT is just not a reliable mode and it was nerfed on purpose…
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@MaxWaldorf said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
Discussed many times…
STT is just not a reliable mode and it was nerfed on purpose…
TWS shots at the upper limit of the DZL range
https://mega.nz/file/awNinYoK#AkMOytDRMvT-NrNDmX_2TGkiHKebq-L7gEmjXHnWBUA
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stdby
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
It had been starting in 4.35 and 4.36 but now 4.37 killed the AMRAAM.
Actually, “4.37 fixed the AMRAAM”.
(if no bug in the release ) … Now the work of virtual pilots is getting closer to the work of real pilots. (Which can indeed be considered as an improvement from my point of view).
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
can’t even hit an AN_72 from 15 miles hard locked in STT mode.
… mmm … that is something … “strange”.
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First shot wave in TWS , last in STT of course ( i could have gone STT on the Third of the last wave, but i messed my cursor)
i dont see any issue here, of course if you shoot outside NEZ, expect AI to escape
https://mega.nz/file/vlsyGKZL#nfdTILN0ucYxP1VjY9Vau83GmxoRQt_0rVi_CYNz5Pg
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TWS or STT it hasn’t mattered, The 120 B and C are crap now. It’s not just me complaining. Our entire wing of pilots (mightily seasoned with thousands of hours dating back to original BMS) are frustrated as well. We use sound and proved BVR tactics and the successes are few. I’m going to put up some ACMI’s just to prove the crap is real. Until next time.
Now this is assuming ALL of you that are replying here are flying 100% realism, AI in ACE mode etc?
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
TWS or STT it hasn’t mattered, The 120 B and C are crap now. It’s not just me complaining. Our entire wing of pilots (mightily seasoned with thousands of hours dating back to original BMS) are frustrated as well. We use sound and proved BVR tactics and the successes are few. I’m going to put up some ACMI’s just to prove the crap is real. Until next time
yeah well, the AIM120 B flight models have been unchanged since 4.32 / 4.33
AIM120C were identical to AIM120B before 4.35 and have been upgraded in 4.35
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
TWS or STT it hasn’t mattered, The 120 B and C are crap now. It’s not just me complaining. Our entire wing of pilots (mightily seasoned with thousands of hours dating back to original BMS) are frustrated as well. We use sound and proved BVR tactics and the successes are few. I’m going to put up some ACMI’s just to prove the crap is real. Until next time.
Now this is assuming ALL of you that are replying here are flying 100% realism, AI in ACE mode etc?
the ACMI were i shot down 3 SU27 are 3 aces
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@Mav-jp You used a MAR of 18 miles? Plus what I saw is you cranked so hard no way they went pitbull plus the 2 enemy missiles just immediately lost track? Kinda sus
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
have noticed the Aim-120B/C is so bad it can’t even hit an AN_72 from 15 miles hard locked in STT mode. Out of 4 shots in 4 different engagements through the campaign, 2 have missed. All supported to Pitbull and no hard maneuvering from the enemy.
i would appreciate an ACMI with a repro case, because it’s been 1 hour already i’m trying to fail at shooting AN_72 at 15 NM …
please provide repro case and parameters
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
@Mav-jp You used a MAR of 18 miles? Plus what I saw is you cranked so hard no way they went pitbull plus the 2 enemy missiles just immediately lost track? Kinda sus
MAR of 18NM against R77 when i’m flying > Mach 1.2 , asbolutly !! else i would be outside NEZ and therefore 0 chance of kill (and in know their R77 / AA12 are pure shit )
they didnt lost track at all (has their SPIKE all the time) , i fooled their lead guidance (you could argue their lead guidance is too agressive maybe ? ) as i was too quick for them in the notch
i would never do the same at mach 0.8 of course, but those little bastards of SU27 were Mach 1.2 as well so had no choice, else outside NEZ with Mach 1.2 SU27 its a garantee miss -
@Mav-jp are you in a TE or campaign? I’m in a campaign so not sure if that has any impact
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
@Mav-jp are you in a TE or campaign? I’m in a campaign so not sure if that has any impact
TE , DGFT or campaign all run the same code
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@WPNS24 said in 4.37 killed the AMRAAM:
Now this is assuming ALL of you that are replying here are flying 100% realism, AI in ACE mode etc?
@WPNS24 Ace level AI can do some weird omnipotent stuff from time to time to evade missiles. But being so good that they only get hit 2 times out of 30 is a bit too much. Especially when everything is supposedly done perfectly.
Ι personally don’t have anywhere near the hours you say you have but most (if not all of us) haven’t seen such a degradation between versions. If there was, it would have already been noticed, since so many people/communities fly 2-3 times a week to almost daily and do a debrief after every flight, and I’m sure that there would be many threads complaining about it.
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is ECM jamming more of a factor now … both ownship (interference) and/or enemy jammers?
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it has been maybe 10 years i didnt engage so many SU27 in BVR than those last 2 hours LOL
It is still far too much easy to my taste to defeat them
i really need to improve their skills in Missile avoidance.
the good thing of this post is that i find the lead guidance a little bit too aggressive maybe, let’s play with that