Seriously impressed!
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How much money did you spend on BMS? How much went to the BMS team? What right do you have to be entitled to outrage?
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he got all apologetic on page 2
easy to miss though
anyway yeah setup’s a pain of necessity, unfortunately no matter how much time is spent on the UI design, more complexity in game = more complexity in setup. maybe not an entirely linear curve, but pretty close.
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Feel free to send me a message. I pissed all over this group and am sorry I did. I do have a thick skin and will take all comments to heart. If you think I’m stupid Mother****er and a giant asshat, feel free to let me know your thoughts. I deserve them.
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How much money did you spend on BMS? How much went to the BMS team? What right do you have to be entitled to outrage?
I would have spent a couple hundred $$$ it that’s what the program had cost. I’ll take free any day, but would also have been willing to pay.
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Thank you all for your advice, and help with the sim. I don’t normally rant, but that WILL be my last on this forum.
Again, thank you.
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Last rant, but not last post, I hope.
Thank you all for your advice, and help with the sim. I don’t normally rant, but that WILL be my last on this forum.
Again, thank you.
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I pissed all over this group and am sorry I did. I do have a thick skin and will take all comments to heart. If you think I’m stupid Mother****er and a giant asshat, feel free to let me know your thoughts. I deserve them.
I think you’ve apologized and made your position clear. We all have our off days sometimes and I guess you just posted on one of those days.
Stop worrying about it and move on to learning and enjoying the sim. Lots of help available in this community. With time, you’ll understand why the initial responses to your first post were what they were, you’ll appreciate the “RTFM” responses, and you’ll learn about “2-3 Falcon weeks ” but for now, make yourself comfortable and don’t be shy with the questions.
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I think you’ve apologized and made your position clear. We all have our off days sometimes and I guess you just posted on one of those days.
Stop worrying about it and move on to learning and enjoying the sim. Lots of help available in this community. With time, you’ll understand why the initial responses to your first post were what they were, you’ll appreciate the “RTFM” responses, and you’ll learn about “2-3 Falcon weeks ” but for now, make yourself comfortable and don’t be shy with the questions.
Yeah.
Just don’t yell at us anymore. We’re very sensitive.
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When was I yelling?
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First, Dm, welcome to BMS. When I read this part of your first post I thought to myself I understand why you’re frustrated. I have found BMS the best combat sim I have ever flown. But, real pilots don’t fly without a lot of training, and neither do we. I think you mentioned spending 5 hours on set up? Well, it took me too weeks to get everything up and running. Then, on my first mission the jet wouldn’t move because I didn’t know the brake “reverse” button in set up has to be clicked!
So, I feel your pain. But, if you take the time and have the patience you will be rewarded. -
One of the best trolling post for ages
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Last rant, but not last post, I hope.
I’m not completely silent. If needed, most likely will be a need for, I ask questions about what I can’t figure out by myself
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First, Dm, welcome to BMS. When I read this part of your first post I thought to myself I understand why you’re frustrated. I have found BMS the best combat sim I have ever flown. But, real pilots don’t fly without a lot of training, and neither do we. I think you mentioned spending 5 hours on set up? Well, it took me too weeks to get everything up and running. Then, on my first mission the jet wouldn’t move because I didn’t know the brake “reverse” button in set up has to be clicked!
So, I feel your pain. But, if you take the time and have the patience you will be rewarded.The 5 hours was not set up in the sim, that time was spent getting the right program (torrent) to allow me to download the program, unzipping, install, and a host of other things. Plus the restarts required to get everything set. So no, the 5 hours mentioned was not setting up within the sim, sorry I didn’t clarify.
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I can understand your frustration, I had plenty of it when I started trying to setup bms, it can be difficult! I had a lot of issues with the keyfiles and such things, but a bit of time reading here and learning settings, I have it running ok these days. Good luck
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they don’t like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasn’t so but that’s just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
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The 5 hours was not set up in the sim, that time was spent getting the right program (torrent) to allow me to download the program, unzipping, install, and a host of other things. Plus the restarts required to get everything set. So no, the 5 hours mentioned was not setting up within the sim, sorry I didn’t clarify.
So you’ve not spent any time setting up the sim yet. Expect 2-3 hours, depending on your setup or desires. It’ll get easier once you get used to where things are located in BMS.
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they don’t like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasn’t so but that’s just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
I understand the frustration someone can get with “the dance,” but surely, someone does not jump from Ace Combat to BMS? The people who find out about BMS through the “normal” channels come from other sims, where setting up of controls is already part of the process? There will be the odd one or two that find a YouTube video and explore what BMS is about, but the OP is not one of those as he has come from AF. Surely he has had to set up his controls in AF? Maybe less so than what you need to set up in BMS (ie, DTC, MFDs, etc.) but there is a setup process nonetheless.
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I completely sympathize with the annoyance of initial BMS setup. It is a royal pain in the butt. I wish everyone who was interested in BMS could sit down at a computer with a complete setup so they could discover what the post-setup BMS experience is. That should give either the motivation to endure the process of setting up their computer to use BMS or save them the time if they don’t like the experience. Out of the box BMS is practically a pile of parts instead of a working whole. They can be assembled but it takes an investment of time and effort. I wish it wasn’t so but that’s just how 18 year old software utilized on a wide variety of hardware for a wide variety of user preferences is.
Understandable. Sadly, the UI in particular does feel old now, but it’s all I’ve ever known. Falcon’s UI has had many facelifts over the years but it is on the same old framework. It’s what we’re used to and love
I don’t think the Falcon dance these days is difficult at all - BMS 4.x is the easiest Falcon dance I’ve ever known, and I remeber the days of installing Falcon 4, 10.8, SP4, BMS1.03 etc, testing it at each stage, running F4Patch with the right settings. CTDs were a frequent thing.
BMS4.33 is very easy to set up relative to the past, but I do agree that it would be frustrating to a new user compared to a ‘modern’ sim. By modern, I mean the likes of DCS where it has been written from the ground up within the last 10 years. Falcon, is pushing nearly 20, and lets not forget BMS is 100% free. Whilst I’ve been in and out of Falcon for the last 10 years, often with very large gaps with it not even being installed (5 or 6 years was the record! ) it is still familiar to me so I have an advantage over newbies, granted. The new folder structure has improved things massively also. WDP and third party apps are a two sided coin to me. Now, I couldn’t really be without them, but it does introduce even more to learn. It makes things harder and more overwhelming at first but makes flight planning and mission building easier once you’re comfortable with it.
I feel bad for being so condescending to the OP earlier in this thread. I honestly thought you were just being troll or just very disrespectful but now we have more information
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Falcon BMS 4.3x is hard for newcomers?
Perhaps.
But do not mix bad design with complexity. Falcon BMS 4.3x is IMHO well designed, but it is also very complex. I don’t see DCS or IL-2 BoS (haha!) or IL-2 CloD (hahaha!) as better designed. Of course, DCS A-10C is running fine out-of-the-box but only if you are Thrustmaster Warthog owner. If you want to fly Mustang or Frogfoot or other AC and/or you do not own TW then you have to spend some time for set it for yourself.
If you don’t like to edit DTC for yourself or play with weather maps or do any other BMS exclusives then stay with Falcon 4.0 or Allied Force or whatever you like. But if you want to invest some time on tuning then stay here and ask for help if you need some. For sure you will get the answers.