The Future of Falcon BMS 3rd Party Developers
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Hi Could9!
Balkans is handle by Cougar and EMF by (I do not remember exactly who) … They are BMS team members.
Believe me or not, they didn’t had much more support than anybody else … You can ask Cougar about it.They’ve just had “more time” because they had converted the theatre using Btest version … But they had to face the same issue than you by taking the stock DB as reference. It wasn’t much different than what you have to do right now.
Anyway … As said, there is not much I can do. If it is to spend all my time here and writing PDF… I would rather enjoy more time with my wife when I am at home and do other stuff.
And I don’t see anybody from the 3rd party community writing complete docs about how do build a theatre, so I am not sure anybody can blame me. And even if I had the time and wish, I do not master the entire stuff. Only a small part of it. I would need several ppl to do the same at the same time. I wouldn’t be able to do it alone.
I am 100% sure that you have more general knowledges about campaing and theatres edition than I have.
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I have to agree with Dee-Jay. I was in the btest team, therefore I started early on, and I never bothered any BMS dev about the EMF theatre during the process.
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Hi Mystic!
@Cloud9: and what Mystic didn’t said is that he has Btest version acess but no acess on Dev forum yet. So one can’t say that it is easier for him.
Regards.
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Mav i’m an aeronautical engineer and i know how to calculate CL/CD charts but in the conventional way using wing foils, reynolds numbers etc etc.
But the data factors used in the dat files intrigue me you see?If i may do you mind in a near future that i contact you via PM and we cal talk about this in order to help me out?
I didn’t say calculate I said retroengineered !!!
Define a thrust model from available sources (mainly fueflow charts vs speed with estimated dilution factor)
From flcs laws or EM charts or any other data get max Aoa vs speed
From PS and thrust get CD
From turn rate get CLFrom accel charts recheck thrust model
Check coherence CD/CL chartIterate as many as necessary to converge on all data
Do this for all altitude breakpoints
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Guys
C9 tsts.
DeeJay not saying that you should do something actually or divert personally.
Just point one from the team or btest team and baptise him.
Maybe some CV gathering first and tada by this day forth you are declared
BB2CD
BMS Bridge to Community Developers.
Wow super title.
You can add director at the end to make it fancy and shiny, I hope no one is looking here, check my 6 I’ll check yours… [emoji38]We will call him bb2 and may the force be with him.
Focus still taking it personally… Mav is on the other side of the moon. Raised the sleeves and started digging. Good bro. Watch the dirt you are spilling mud here also, we are artists with higher culture… [emoji38]
So we have the OP that says will do so.
So let’s put on the table ideas and propositions or troubles and help the guy make it happen.Στάλθηκε από το MI 5 μου χρησιμοποιώντας Tapatalk
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Guys from the community - No need to complain, really.
BMS data team are working very hard and day to day to get things going. There are no magics, they learn day to day and work hard day to day.
Coders exist in the team yes, and we try to help DB team, but not always all the info is transparent and ready at real time, sometimes RL get in the way and data Dev may find himself exploring things alone until coder can give support. And even among coding team, some of us are really detached at times from the main development stream and work on future stuff that is pretty much off to the side, so not all coders can help with anything.I understand the frustration of “being in the dark” from some community Dev POV, and we try to think internally of ways to improve things, the XML DB and modern tools by Falcas should help maintaining things in a more sane way. But sure, there will always be this balance game between development branch and current released version, there will always be gap, even internally in the team we sometimes see tension is created due to such differences between different development branches.
Also, look practically, ITO isn’t ready for 4.34, and I have no news when it’ll be. Even though we technically have ITO guys in the team, but due to different reasons, it didn’t came yet to align it.
Cheers!
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The only thing I’m certain is that, as long as the Dev team keep their devotion to the Sim, it will probably last for another 20 years.
It’s a painful job, and 3rd party devs should know it also.
But as long as we continue to believe that it’s worth the effort, things will eventually come up and get done, sooner or later.
There are a lot of people in this community always willing to help, including the devs, so it’s just a matter of reaching out for help when needed, and help will come, sooner or later.
What I’m just trying to state here is that, as long as we all get along and help each other out in any way possible, we’ll be fine.
From my part, I can only say that I’ve contacted many ppl and everyone helped as best as they could (Mystic, Cougar 56th, Cloud9 and many others), and so do the guys from the dev team, posting information that helps us overcome the obstacles that we face. And we will keep facing them, and will keep overcoming them. As long as wee continue to be part of a healthy and collaborative community.
Keep the faith
Cheers
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Let me be honest with you.
I understand your concerns. But I am spending quite often something like 5h a day (not only during my holidays where this amount can rise up to 12h a day … sometimes more) enjoying working on the sim an see the results. I don’t like writing pdf and my english is not good. Sometimes I would even not really have a real idea how to explain some things about database … It is already hard enouth internal, sharing own knowledges with the community is something over me. I do it from time to time here and there and thats it.
So if it is to spend that tile writing pdf and not working any more on the future 4.35, I will simply and naturally stop everything and will eventually quite the community. Somtime coming here and reading some comments make me sad and it is tiering when we tries to explain some things that ppl don’t want to hear …
So I won’t probably never participate to such enterprise. I simply can’t and would probably give up quite rapidly.
Some ppl from dev comes here to give you some hints, take it. And do your best as we does. You know, even internally we do not always have the answers, and it is not rare that we have to discover things by ourselves. Our strong point is of course coders, but also the fact that we are “organised” and we used to know who to ask about a given point. And this is not different than here. Regroup all the 3rd party devs together, and sare your own knowledges together.
I can’t tell you more. I have perso ally nothings more to offer.
Maybe some other devs could (?) … But we are not numerous. And not all of them comes on the ppl forum as we does because they prefer to focus 100% on their internal tasks.
Sorry. I hope you will understand.
Many times I felt this. Sometimes is hard to explain in short things in Falcon.
When I worked on my MOD the best way was ask very specific things. To write such a document what details everything is simply so time consuming. I just made a very short summarizing document about WPACT unit structure and how can be implemented with some examples and eventually it became 41 page long. Only about one topic and explaining the cause and reasons to maybe one day will be used. And I made tons other tricks in DB in my MODs. I explained everything what I could and what I used. The result is the 4.34 what is almost sometime if I made it what I never was able to fully do it because I’m not a coder.
Of course this is not makes happy the 3rd party devs but ever since F4.0 descendant exist only limited help were available for 3rd party creators regardless of RP5 Manual and similar stuff.
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BTW speaking of such Development guidance documentation… I already feel too old (I’m 40 and my small kids already think I’m too ancient…), but isn’t this somehow the YT generation? Everything is on video? streaming or whatever? I mean instead of a document, wouldn’t it be easy if a Dev/3rd-Dev could just record his actions with some nice explanations?
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Reading this whole thread, an idea come to my mind:
New forum section: “OpenToPublic 3rdParty DevTeam”
It should be coordinated/moderated by one elected member.
In this forum section there should be SubForums, like:- Coordination Forum
- Coders Forum
- FM/AFM Forum
- Modelers Forum
- DB Forum
- File/Folder/Package Forum
- New Theater Develop Forum
- New Aricraft Develop Forum
Maybe more, maybe different, etc…
Each sub-forum coordinated/moderated by one elected member.
This way, there should be a place for asking/ requesting specific help.
It could better manage all available help/sources/documentation/software/etc…My 2cts.
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Good point flyway, though for “language” issues the forum admins and moderators must jump in and straighten guys out.
Better have it in this forum than an external tool. Will be easier for BMS devs to follow-up.
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Sure Arty,
I mean in here, in BMS forum, and supported by the BMS dev team, ofcourse.
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Wow what I’m reading here brings back many memories. In many respects, it is like history repeating itself. The way we overcame such challenges years ago was by forming the F4Alliance team. We followed a similar model to Spectrum Holobyte and is how were were able to release aircraft packages such as the Mig-29. We worked together. Team work was the priority and extolled many virtues and talents of our team members.
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Reports of my demise have been greatly over exaggerated.
Regards
Dave -
Hello,
I feel astonished by what is said in this thread, its very topic and some of its answers…
Even it’s not how it’s supposed to be understood, I feel that it’s just another indirect diatribe that trends to prove that yet another time, devs didn’t made things nice.
That’s how I feel it, and I feel it pretty unfair.
Regards,
Radium
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Reports of my demise have been greatly over exaggerated.
Regards
DaveWell I, for one, are glad to hear that you “Old fart” Now c’mon with an update……with all the new DOF\Swtchs and Candy Canes to boot!!!..:D
Nice to see your post
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Hello,
I feel astonished by what is said in this thread, its very topic and some of its answers…
Even it’s not how it’s supposed to be understood, I feel that it’s just another indirect diatribe that trends to prove that yet another time, devs didn’t made things nice.
That’s how I feel it, and I feel it pretty unfair.
Regards,
Radium
Im sorry that you misunderstand this post.
In fact it has nothing to do with that.My purpose on this topic is encourage all 3rd party devs to collaborate more and to add useful info and tutorials so that all of us can benefit from it.
Off course official devs.must.also encourage this process by giving useful information when neded and give the 3rd party devs the tools to do it.
My 2 cents