RWR problem
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Its R_27 missile , And if rwr doesn’t respond to ir threats how can i avoid being hit by ir missile
There is an air battle tactic of entering and exiting combat. You need to learn.Learn to always interact with AWACS, learn to use the radar, it is multi-level and not simple. Then everything will work out.
Read the Red Dog … he will not teach bad. He has a great, great work on the subject. This is a great man and his great work - manual Falcon.
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You have to learn vigilance to watch for smoke in the air. And from the ground. And the two look different, and can fool you into complacency on either/or.
Then you have to learn last ditch missile defense…
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R-27 is not particularly great, at far as missiles go. It has a long range for an IR missile, but it’s not very maneuverable. It should also be quite vulnerable to flares.
In VVR combat, always keep sight of the target. You will see the bandit launch a missile like an R-27T. You can then begin maneuvering and dropping flares. Best of all, don’t give the enemy a chance to launch. A head-on launch of an IR missile has a poor chance of hitting anything, even if it’s an AIM-9X, nevermind an R-27. To get a good shot off with something like an R-27T, the enemy fighter needs to get on your tail, or close enough to it. That means either sneaking up on you, or out-dogfighting you. In an F-16, the former can be prevented by keeping good situational awareness, and the latter should not happen unless you haven’t practiced your dogfighting skills enough. Fighters that can take the F-16 in a dogfight (generally advanced MiG-29 and Su-30 variants) don’t usually carry the rather old-ish R-27, but R-60s or even R-73s, and these will clean your clock if you get too close.
TBH, the best way of winning here is to beat them before they can start. Use the jammer to deny the bandit a radar lock and launch an AMRAAM at his face before he can get into burnthrough range. And if you’re out of AMRAAMs, don’t go messing with advanced enemy fighters. I’ve nailed the MiG-29 in guns training TE with the cannon a few times (usually after wasting my AIM-9Xs with poor angle shots), but it has worked out the other way around, too.
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Its R_27 missile , And if rwr doesn’t respond to ir threats how can i avoid being hit by ir missile
May I suggestion this: Electronic Warfare Fundamentals
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Are you turning Handoff on?
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perhaps more flare than chaff is helpful when shot at by an IR missile. Prog 2 on CMDS will dispense more flares. Usually the source of the IR missile shows up on the RWR, if an enemy jet is behind you for some seconds and no missile warning then turn around and watch for the smoke mentioned above. The new BMS models the smoke nicely.
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Perhaps RTFM
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Again hit by hawk missile without any warning
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There are LOTS of systems out there that can shoot you down without any warning…using any number of tricks.
Key is to keep your head on a swivel and to spot them shooting (it’s always the missile you don’t see that kills you)…and/or to avoid flying into their WEZ entirely. After that, it’s all about last ditch missile defense. And maintaining lookout for that second shot…
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Always expect something can hit you without any sign on the RWR. The most probable thing is that something hits you without warning are IR missiles. Sometimes their firing aircraft may lock you with radar but if smart they won’t. The same with SAMs, i.e. SA-6 or especially manpads (no radar at all).
AND: some weapons even have other possibilities of guidance like TV or HOJ (Home on jamming if you are using your ECM). Especially the SA-10 is ugly nasty in Falcon
There is a really good PDF around here about your problem, called The Vault from TeeSquare:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?26874-Threat-GuideFor Hawk, I can see in there it has HOJ capabilities and to some extend optical guidance. You will not see it on your RWR if it doesn’t use its radar.
Edit: Best avoidance of unseen threats is to stay high above 20.000ft. Then it is more probable you get a RWR warning (except SA-10). IR missiles are most short range and will not fire into such high altitudes. Study your route for the biggest threats before flying. Listen to your wingman, he will call to you launches most times.
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Always expect something can hit you without any sign on the RWR. The most probable thing is that something hits you without warning are IR missiles. Sometimes their firing aircraft may lock you with radar but if smart they won’t. The same with SAMs, i.e. SA-6 or especially manpads (no radar at all).
AND: some weapons even have other possibilities of guidance like TV or HOJ (Home on jamming if you are using your ECM). Especially the SA-10 is ugly nasty in Falcon
There is a really good PDF around here about your problem, called The Vault from TeeSquare:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?26874-Threat-GuideFor Hawk, I can see in there it has HOJ capabilities and to some extend optical guidance. You will not see it on your RWR if it doesn’t use its radar.
Edit: Best avoidance of unseen threats is to stay high above 20.000ft. Then it is more probable you get a RWR warning (except SA-10). IR missiles are most short range and will not fire into such high altitudes. Study your route for the biggest threats before flying. Listen to your wingman, he will call to you launches most times.
Agree 100%, and I guess I need to start running ACMI as my 1st Ingress in the Desert Storm (Kuwait) Campaign I was cruising at 23k at the IP and WHAM, ball of flame going 450 kts… No launch warning, no bogies I ever saw within 20km, nothing. Starting to wonder if a 120 went Mad Dog as the sky was pretty busy…
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Always expect something can hit you without any sign on the RWR. The most probable thing is that something hits you without warning are IR missiles. Sometimes their firing aircraft may lock you with radar but if smart they won’t. The same with SAMs, i.e. SA-6 or especially manpads (no radar at all).
AND: some weapons even have other possibilities of guidance like TV or HOJ (Home on jamming if you are using your ECM). Especially the SA-10 is ugly nasty in Falcon
There is a really good PDF around here about your problem, called The Vault from TeeSquare:
https://www.benchmarksims.org/forum/showthread.php?26874-Threat-GuideFor Hawk, I can see in there it has HOJ capabilities and to some extend optical guidance. You will not see it on your RWR if it doesn’t use its radar.
Edit: Best avoidance of unseen threats is to stay high above 20.000ft. Then it is more probable you get a RWR warning (except SA-10). IR missiles are most short range and will not fire into such high altitudes. Study your route for the biggest threats before flying. Listen to your wingman, he will call to you launches most times.
Thank you Atze
But , what if i fly and my ECM is Off and my radar is silent
Are these missiles will targeting me or they cant see me ? -
Thank you Atze
But , what if i fly and my ECM is Off and my radar is silent
Are these missiles will targeting me or they cant see me ?ahmed, turning these off does not make your airplane invisible to radar.
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…or an IR seeker.
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You can try flying MAP “nap of earth” using terrain for cover mountains and valleys however this also has drawbacks like lower fuel economy with a higher fuel burn rate exposure to threats like moblle sams and AA BMS 4.34 simulates atmosphereic preasure
witch would suggest the sim is using blade element theory?? Maneuvering speed of the F-16 is 340kts but you are going to want to fly faster then that to avoid ground threats so you might encounter turbulence at lower altitudes say 300 feet or lower.