Update on 4.35 U2
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Sorry, folks… We already packed the new installer, but then 2 small bugs had to be fixed and we had to repack it twice. Nothing serious, but since the glitches were spotted, we decided to fix them.
It is already packed, no more testing. Now it is more about bureaucracy. I dont like giving a specific timeline, but I suspect we are one week away from it.
I only put emoji for this Only waiting for Fly…
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I thought the wait was for the Billion, not the one.
What?! Are you sure about that? , now billion wants to Q&A ?? … doesn’t make any sense. They can’t even make a brick fly. Why give’em full viper FM for free… BMS sell them the SDI.
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What?! Are you sure about that? , now billion wants to Q&A ?? … doesn’t make any sense. They can’t even make a brick fly. Why give’em full viper FM for free… BMS sell them the SDI.
Just going on what Seifer says (reading between the lines). I assume the legals need to make sure BMS hasn’t stuck some text in somewhere giving license to all to sell it on (for example).
It is already packed, no more testing. Now it is more about bureaucracy.
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What?! Are you sure about that? , now billion wants to Q&A ?? … doesn’t make any sense. They can’t even make a brick fly. Why give’em full viper FM for free… BMS sell them the SDI.
I don’t think you understand what is happening behind the scene…
So please refrain from commenting things you don’t know or don’t understand.Public forum is not the place to discuss legal matters anyway…
Cheers
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^^ Of course you’re right/
Sorry for letting genie out of the bottle.:boink: but why the all holdup in veil of secrecy. Month ago everything was “already packed” and g2g. … and then //silence.
Sure as hell for something community made (unpaid soft) I hold no any right for “demands” … but is not that at all. - Just a simple/complex question what’s the matter now?
:gossip:
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So sad that so many of you feel like you’re entitled to ask such questions, much less expect answers. You paid absolutely nothing for Falcon BMS, and they owe absolutely nothing to you in return. Be patient. Even better, be quiet. The update will get here when it gets here.
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^^ Of course you’re right/
Sorry for letting genie out of the bottle.:boink: but why the all holdup in veil of secrecy. Month ago everything was “already packed” and g2g. … and then //silence.
Sure as hell for something community made (unpaid soft) I hold no any right for “demands” … but is not that at all. - Just a simple/complex question what’s the matter now?
:gossip:
you might rethink and use a calculator. The message that after fixing additional gltiches and the installer is packed dates from 06/12/2021 so ten days and not month ago
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So sad that so many of you feel like you’re entitled to ask such questions, much less expect answers. You paid absolutely nothing for Falcon BMS, and they owe absolutely nothing to you in return. Be patient. Even better, be quiet. The update will get here when it gets here.
While I agree with this sentiment, there are few things going on: 1. stability issues make U1 less playable for some people and the are waiting on the update to fly more 2. Those of us who were around before the IP owners blessing remember the constant worry that any update could be the last release (but I think we’re all doing better with that trained thought process these days). 3. Newer users have the always human gamer behavior to want the next update ASAP:lol: I think overall as a community we are doing better trusting BMS more than ever honestly, but issue 1 I think has more people on edge with this update.
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^^ Of course you’re right/
Sorry for letting genie out of the bottle.:boink: but why the all holdup in veil of secrecy. Month ago everything was “already packed” and g2g. … and then //silence.
Sure as hell for something community made (unpaid soft) I hold no any right for “demands” … but is not that at all. - Just a simple/complex question what’s the matter now?
:gossip:
LOL, sure I’ll open the door and tell you everything now
To make things simple and short… This is not because we’re a private community driven project that we don’t have process for release.This process doesn’t need / won’t to be disclosed outside of the BMS team.
Now, it is the first time we have been so open about a release and give regular updates because we were happy to make huge progress for the future of BMS.There are always quirks and small issues in deliveries that might take a couple days extra…
I don’t need to go into details and won’t.Now, it is your choice:
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We can continue to stay open on what we think worth sharing (and we are happy to do so).
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We keep things private and only let you know on a need to know basis (and keep it the old way).
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^^ Of course you’re right/
Sorry for letting genie out of the bottle.:boink: but why the all holdup in veil of secrecy. Month ago everything was “already packed” and g2g. … and then //silence.
Sure as hell for something community made (unpaid soft) I hold no any right for “demands” … but is not that at all. - Just a simple/complex question what’s the matter now?
:gossip:
Hi buddy, I tried to be as honest as possible in this thread. Every milestone we reached I posted something about it. Believe me, I have been to the waiting side and I know how pissed it is to get a 3-4 weeks answer. But here is a very brief timeline of what happened:
- We packed U2 twice 3 months ago, found some very serious bugs, so went back to the “drawing board”. Some of those were my fault, which I added while fixing another very old serious bug which caused the infamous pure virtual CTD randomly.
- After that, we spent 45 insane days testing whatever we could, generated 35 candidates in the mean time. Allow me to say that a lot of testers have my personal phone number now and I was answering to them at 3am at my local timezone, since I had ppl from all over the world pinging me with bugs. And I’m talking only about myself here, there were other coders as well.
- Once we reached a stable version, we packed the installer, sent to testers for a final run but twice we found glitches and went back to fixing. Those were not serious, but since were at it, we decided to fix them.
- We finally packed the final version 2-3 weeks ago, but our final installer presented some “problems”. It was not really a problem, but this prevented us from releasing due to bureaucracy. I will not go into details here, but this required us to generate a new one last week.
- It was generated during the weekend and and again, it does not depend on “us” (BMS) anymore. We are all eager to release this new version, as much as you all are to get it.
Now, I do not like when ppl say: you are getting this for free so take it or leave (no offence meant to anyone here). I think as long as we produce something for a passionate public, we must deliver our best, as best as we can. But please, be mindful we also have our own lives and we are doing this on spare time. From my side, I decided to take a break until U2 is released, because I’m pretty sure the community will find more problems. But there are already people working on the next version. The wheel keeps spinning and there are some awesome stuff being done.
We’re trying really hard. Please, be patient, U2 is coming, it’s very close. If it’s not here yet, it is beyond our power now.
Notice that everything I said here was said before, except the last part about the installer. So there is not really much in this post.
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Hi buddy, I tried to be as honest as possible in this thread. Every milestone we reached I posted something about it. Believe me, I have been to the waiting side and I know how pissed it is to get a 3-4 weeks answer. But here is a very brief timeline of what happened:
- We packed U2 twice 3 months ago, found some very serious bugs, so went back to the “drawing board”. Some of those were my fault, which I added while fixing another very old serious bug which caused the infamous pure virtual CTD randomly.
- After that, we spent 45 insane days testing whatever we could, generated 35 candidates in the mean time. Allow me to say that a lot of testers have my personal phone number now and I was answering to them at 3am at my local timezone, since I had ppl from all over the world pinging me with bugs. And I’m talking only about myself here, there were other coders as well.
- Once we reached a stable version, we packed the installer, sent to testers for a final run but twice we found glitches and went back to fixing. Those were not serious, but since were at it, we decided to fix them.
- We finally packed the final version 2-3 weeks ago, but our final installer presented some “problems”. It was not really a problem, but this prevented us from releasing due to bureaucracy. I will not go into details here, but this required us to generate a new one last week.
- It was generated during the weekend and and again, it does not depend on “us” (BMS) anymore. We are all eager to release this new version, as much as you all are to get it.
Now, I do not like when ppl say: you are getting this for free so take it or leave (no offence meant to anyone here). I think as long as we produce something for a passionate public, we must deliver our best, as best as we can. But please, be mindful we also have our own lives and we are doing this on spare time. From my side, I decided to take a break until U2 is released, because I’m pretty sure the community will find more problems. But there are already people working on the next version. The wheel keeps spinning and there are some awesome stuff being done.
We re trying really hard. Please, be patient, U2 is coming, it’s very close. If it’s not here yet, it is beyond our power now.
Notice that everything I said here was said before, except the last part about the installer. So there is not really much in this post.
Thanks for the feedback Seifer. We appreciate it. I believe most of us understand the issues (Which must not be easy ones, I guess) and are waiting patiently. Take the time you guys need to deliver a good stuff. Certainly you deserve the brake!
Cheers :yo:
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Thanks for the feedback Seifer. We appreciate it. I believe most of us understand the issues (Which must not be easy ones, I guess) and are waiting patiently. Take the time you guys need to deliver a good stuff. Certainly you deserve the brake!
Cheers :yo:
Hi Sasah, thanks for the kind words. Good that mentioned this… I am not happy by this delay, as you know all too well, since this is preventing me from flying with you guys from my own timezone and language (and sense of humour ).
Regarding the issues, not sure how familiar people are with software development. You know, Falcon is not a big company with all infrastructure support. We host our own servers, people are paying to have this up and working for free to have this up for us. We don’t have quality engineers online all the time, alerts, automated tests etc. So this makes things a lot harder.
I spent 22 days with one of our testers chasing a bug that happened only on his machine. We exchanged more than 50GB of dmp files. I also spent 8 days trying to understand why the pure virtual fix was causing the new bug I mentioned on my previous post. And believe me, I have a lot of software experience in my career, those were really TOUGH bugs. When I say days, I literally mean that, from the moment I woke up, during the day when I had some breaks from work, through the night until I slept. Add to that 8 hours of real life work and 2 kids, you may begin to understand how passion drives us.
So, for whomever wanted some background of what went behind the scenes, this is a small taste. And notice I am only talking about myself. Other coders are more low profile than I am but you can be damn sure they had similar experiences.
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I hope you don’t feel bad or offended for anything, Seifer. I do, and apparently others do, appreciate your way to communicate, nothing contemptuous, nothing blurry, just plain statements. Personally, seriously, you could say nothing, I don’t care. I’m happy with what I have. I’m no little kid crying and needing a picture of Disneyland every day to remember it will still be there when it’s time to visit. And if I don’t go in the end, it’s no big deal. Passion is a thing, but nothing to lose our mind on.
Enjoy your suffering at the extent you choose. If you do that for end users, don’t worry, we’ll be there. We were there before, we’ll be there then. If not from day 1 of U2, 3-4 weeks later. We too have our lives :).
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I hope you don’t feel bad or offended for anything, Seifer. I do, and apparently others do, appreciate your way to communicate, nothing contemptuous, nothing blurry, just plain statements. Personally, seriously, you could say nothing, I don’t care. I’m happy with what I have. I’m no little kid crying and needing a picture of Disneyland every day to remember it will still be there when it’s time to visit. And if I don’t go in the end, it’s no big deal. Passion is a thing, but nothing to lose our mind on.
Enjoy your suffering at the extent you choose. If you do that for end users, don’t worry, we’ll be there. We were there before, we’ll be there then. If not from day 1 of U2, 3-4 weeks later. We too have our lives :).
No offense taken, I don’t even know why I would be
This was just an informative post. really, there was not much to say/update. I thought it would take one week, but it is taking more…
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The Air Combat Sim podcast episode and the additional bonus episode:
Thanks for this ,johku,
I had 2 major reactions to the Podcast. Firstly, it increased my appreciation of the Dev’s. It’s very special that a group will go through the ups and downs and stick with it for this long. Especially for something that is not for $$$$.
My second reaction was to feel inspired. It’s amazing what even a small group can do. -
Hi Sasah, thanks for the kind words. Good that mentioned this… I am not happy by this delay, as you know all too well, since this is preventing me from flying with you guys from my own timezone and language (and sense of humour ).
Regarding the issues, not sure how familiar people are with software development. You know, Falcon is not a big company with all infrastructure support. We host our own servers, people are paying to have this up and working for free to have this up for us. We don’t have quality engineers online all the time, alerts, automated tests etc. So this makes things a lot harder.
I spent 22 days with one of our testers chasing a bug that happened only on his machine. We exchanged more than 50GB of dmp files. I also spent 8 days trying to understand why the pure virtual fix was causing the new bug I mentioned on my previous post. And believe me, I have a lot of software experience in my career, those were really TOUGH bugs. When I say days, I literally mean that, from the moment I woke up, during the day when I had some breaks from work, through the night until I slept. Add to that 8 hours of real life work and 2 kids, you may begin to understand how passion drives us.
So, for whomever wanted some background of what went behind the scenes, this is a small taste. And notice I am only talking about myself. Other coders are more low profile than I am but you can be damn sure they had similar experiences.
One last thing: I said coders, but include here dev and test teams as well, they worked (and still working) very hard for all this to happen.
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@seifer, thanks for your communication, a lot is changing in the BMS!
Thanks also to all developers
Take care there, man!!
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Hi buddy, I tried to be as honest as possible in this thread. Every milestone we reached I posted something about it. Believe me, I have been to the waiting side and I know how pissed it is to get a 3-4 weeks answer. But here is a very brief timeline of what happened:
- We packed U2 twice 3 months ago, found some very serious bugs, so went back to the “drawing board”. Some of those were my fault, which I added while fixing another very old serious bug which caused the infamous pure virtual CTD randomly.
- After that, we spent 45 insane days testing whatever we could, generated 35 candidates in the mean time. Allow me to say that a lot of testers have my personal phone number now and I was answering to them at 3am at my local timezone, since I had ppl from all over the world pinging me with bugs. And I’m talking only about myself here, there were other coders as well.
- Once we reached a stable version, we packed the installer, sent to testers for a final run but twice we found glitches and went back to fixing. Those were not serious, but since were at it, we decided to fix them.
- We finally packed the final version 2-3 weeks ago, but our final installer presented some “problems”. It was not really a problem, but this prevented us from releasing due to bureaucracy. I will not go into details here, but this required us to generate a new one last week.
- It was generated during the weekend and and again, it does not depend on “us” (BMS) anymore. We are all eager to release this new version, as much as you all are to get it.
Now, I do not like when ppl say: you are getting this for free so take it or leave (no offence meant to anyone here). I think as long as we produce something for a passionate public, we must deliver our best, as best as we can. But please, be mindful we also have our own lives and we are doing this on spare time. From my side, I decided to take a break until U2 is released, because I’m pretty sure the community will find more problems. But there are already people working on the next version. The wheel keeps spinning and there are some awesome stuff being done.
We’re trying really hard. Please, be patient, U2 is coming, it’s very close. If it’s not here yet, it is beyond our power now.
Notice that everything I said here was said before, except the last part about the installer. So there is not really much in this post.
let me clarify, it’s been 2 years we work on the next version already, so 4.35 U2 still has many issues or missing stuff that we arlready fixed or implemented for the “next version”.
So U2 is just a 4.35 stability patch in order for you guys to enjoy 4.35 as it should be awaiting 3 to 4 weeks the next one , nothing more nothing less
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Hi Sasah, thanks for the kind words. Good that mentioned this… I am not happy by this delay, as you know all too well, since this is preventing me from flying with you guys from my own timezone and language (and sense of humour ).
Regarding the issues, not sure how familiar people are with software development. You know, Falcon is not a big company with all infrastructure support. We host our own servers, people are paying to have this up and working for free to have this up for us. We don’t have quality engineers online all the time, alerts, automated tests etc. So this makes things a lot harder.
I spent 22 days with one of our testers chasing a bug that happened only on his machine. We exchanged more than 50GB of dmp files. I also spent 8 days trying to understand why the pure virtual fix was causing the new bug I mentioned on my previous post. And believe me, I have a lot of software experience in my career, those were really TOUGH bugs. When I say days, I literally mean that, from the moment I woke up, during the day when I had some breaks from work, through the night until I slept. Add to that 8 hours of real life work and 2 kids, you may begin to understand how passion drives us.
So, for whomever wanted some background of what went behind the scenes, this is a small taste. And notice I am only talking about myself. Other coders are more low profile than I am but you can be damn sure they had similar experiences.
well imagine doing that during 15 years already
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well imagine doing that during 15 years already
That’s why you guys deserve our appreciations! Thank you is not enough, but it is what I am able to give you now.
Thank you all of you :yo: