Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...
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@Badger said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
@efsixteenblock50
Get a copy of the BMS -1 in there you will find the names and functions of stick a throttle buttons for all modes. Find the 4.35 version in the download sectionBMS-1? Do you mean DASH 1?
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@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
@airtex2019 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
@efsixteenblock50 not sure exactly if this is what you mean, but the simulator is never real life … there are a variety of things you may want mapped to your hotas, for convenience, that in real life don’t apply or maybe would require you to take hand off stick for a brief second, things like
- raise/lower sun-visor
- night-vision
- the slap-switch
- zoom FOV in/out
- apply rudder/brakes, if you don’t have pedals
- pause/resume or recenter-TrackIR
etc
That make sense.
The slap switch! I noticed that when mapping - what does that do?
(I forgot)
That’s been my biggest issue with getting up & running - the pickle button was easy, as is called the same thing in AF.
But many of the “must have on the stick” things are refered to by names that I’d never heard of.
e.g. I was looking for the key stroke that designates or “locks” up the target after slewing the radar cursor. So I searched for “designator”, “lock” etc… but no joy. Finally found it after a few hours.Instead of loosing time trying to guess what about reading the manual ?
You need to understand that falcon AF is a total different game than BMS.
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@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
The slap switch! I noticed that when mapping - what does that do?
quick answer… you have 4 countermeasure programs selectable by dial. but there a 6 on your data cartridge
the slap-switch invokes #5. and CMS-left will invoke #6
typical/default for slap-switch is to dispense 1 flare + 1 chaff… sort of a “manual” fallback for countermeasures
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Before you spend (some would say “waste” ) a few hundred hard earned bucks on a ridiculously overpriced TrackIR make sure to check out some alternatives like DelanClip / ps eye camera /opentrack which work just as well as TrackIR, are of higher build quality (esp. the DelanClip is made of sturdy metal and comes in certain varieties like wireless and so on) and will set you back far less than TIR. You can even build your own tracking clip for around $10 in parts if you know which end of the soldering iron gets hot
As a bonus, you’ll be able to use the delanclip with trackir if you should decide it has to be tir after all.
All the best, Uwe
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Just invest in VR headset…
It should be worth your investment soon
PS: A head tracking device is still worth though
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Talking about VR, I have a few questions:
Does one need just the headset or the whole kit ? How do you glance at the “real” controls ( keyboard, mouse, hotas) when wearing one ?
My vision has faded significantly in recent years so I need to wear reading glasses to read the screen, does that hinder wearing a headset (not really looking forward to wear contacts + reading glasses + VR headset ) ?
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@Vyper37 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Talking about VR, I have a few questions:
Does one need just the headset ? How do you glance at the “real” ontrols ( keyboard, mouse, hotas) when wearing one ?
My vision has faded significantly in recent years so I need to wear reading glasses to read the screen, does that hinder wearing a headset (not really looking forward to wear contacts + reading glasses + VR headset ) ?
I think Max may have been joking (?) but to answer your questions. The only way to see outside of a headset is if it has good pass-through or to lift it off. Quest 2 has it but it is grainy B&W, horrible (as is the Q2’s VR quality IMO). Maybe someone will have it in the future for a reasonable cost (Varjo VR/XR models have it but $$$$$$). As for glasses, I wear readers and bought VROptician prescription lens covers. They not only clarify vision but also protect the easiy damaged lenses in my HP G2v2…
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@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
I’m getting one BTW. And the throttle. And TrackIR!
My journey to Incel-ism is nearly complete!You may want to look at the Deltasim’s replacement slew sensor upgrade (though I read TM may have upgraded this part in the latest Warthog Throttles?) and consider the VPC WarBRD stick base to replace the plastic gimble/greased ball of the standard base. Easy to swap and you can set the firmware to duplicate the TM base so Target thinks its OEM, programs normally… night and day difference in quality and feel.
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Thanks Icer, not holding my breath either but I took the opportunity to ask
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@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Speaking of HOTAS…
Something I’ve been wondering about - what with the BMS culture of striving for realism, I would think that since, for example, the Warthog stick is pretty much identical to the real stick in the F-16, there wouldn’t be all this emphasis on customization - why don’t people program it to work just like it does in the real thing?I’m getting one BTW. And the throttle. And TrackIR!
My journey to Incel-ism is nearly complete!Because even for those that have a Cougar HOTAS or a Warthog HOTAS, we don’t have the entire cockpit to hand so we map stuff on shifted layers for easier access. I have a Warthog and most of what’s in the true HOTAS is mapped to the same way, but I have extra stuff like pausing/re-centre TrackIR, turn HMD on/off, turn NVG on/off, etc.
Obviously for those with different stick setups, the need for customisation is even greater.
@hoover said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Before you spend (some would say “waste” ) a few hundred hard earned bucks on a ridiculously overpriced TrackIR make sure to check out some alternatives like DelanClip / ps eye camera /opentrack which work just as well as TrackIR, are of higher build quality
TrackIR just works. The software is quite easy to work with. The build quality is excellent. What you are referring to is the Track Clip Pro which is quite poorly built for the price, I will agree. But one can always use the reflective clips. Or buy a third-party LED emitter. More expensive? Maybe, but given the hours used over time (mine is 12 years old!), will you really notice a £0.0021 per hour cost vs a £0.0018 per hour cost?
@MaxWaldorf said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Just invest in VR headset…
It should be worth your investment soon
You tease!!
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@Vyper37 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Does one need just the headset or the whole kit ? How do you glance at the “real” controls ( keyboard, mouse, hotas) when wearing one ?
Replica pit works great! Or depending on the headset, peeking through the nose gap. Passthrough isn’t really useable at the moment. Take a look at PointCTRL though. It’s awesome!
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@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
My journey to Incel-ism is nearly complete!
Wait until I tell you about my level-50 multiclass Barbarian/Rogue!!
If you think this is bad, take a look at the guys over at ViperPits! Those are some dedicated guys!!
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@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Speaking of HOTAS…
Something I’ve been wondering about … why don’t people program it to work just like it does in the real thing?They can and do … some people, anyway. TM WH Flight stick, most certainly, is nearly an exact match for the F-16’s stick, and buttons can be mapped 1:1 … but on top of that, using shift-states, addition controls can be added for each button or HAT/POV … that way some sim-controls can be at the fingertips, too, like Pause or Center TrackIR commands.
Personally, I keep my Pause and Center commands for TrackIR on voice command through my VoiceAttack profile(s).
@efsixteenblock50 said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
I’m getting one BTW. And the throttle. And TrackIR!
My journey to Incel-ism is nearly complete!…nearly…
psst… VOICEATTACK!
edit: also worth checking out, Buttkicker Gamer 2 and Andre’s SimShaker Wings software - he’s coded every event into “feels” down to the cracks in the taxiway, bumps on the tarmac, released stores, and even speedbrake - I don’t think I could go back to “looking” for the indicator to know if my speedbrake is open and/or how much.
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@SemlerPDX Just can’t help but promote your work eh??
Just kidding!! I cannot recommend this enough @efsixteenblock50!! Go get Voice Attack and try @SemlerPDX’s profile!@SemlerPDX said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
edit: also worth checking out, Buttkicker Gamer 2 and Andre’s SimShaker Wings software - he’s coded every event into “feels” down to the cracks in the taxiway, bumps on the tarmac, released stores, and even speedbrake - I don’t think I could go back to “looking” for the indicator to know if my speedbrake is open and/or how much.
Why Buttkicker instead of the JetSeat? And just as a weird question, has anyone tried both?
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“TrackIR just works. The software is quite easy to work with.”
Guess what, so does Opentrack The setup really has come a long way over the last couple of years, as have the default curves that can be used with the DelanClip.
The only part that might need a bit of fiddling is installing the ps eye cam driver, but that’s also easy enough as a free alternative driver has become available. (Tomasz’ package might even include it if you buy the set from him, but I would need to check that).
Horses for courses I guess, as usual, I was simply pointing out a way to save a bunch of money if you’re willing to invest 20-30 minutes for the initial setup (like mounting the DelanClip on your headset) and maybe another half an hour for fine tuning the default curves (which are already quite good).
Of course you’re correct about the long-term cost per day being ridiculously low in both cases, however that was not the point I was trying to make.
Cheers, Uwe
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@Atlas said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
@SemlerPDX Just can’t help but promote your work eh??
lol
TBF, I didn’t mention my own work - there are several public BMS profiles for VoiceAttack in addition to my own, including JanJan’s awesome plugin & profile combo, among others…@Atlas said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Why Buttkicker instead of the JetSeat? And just as a weird question, has anyone tried both?
Buttkicker is way more powerful, and attaches to the pole under the chair, and translates the LFE to the entire chair & my body. This thing could chatter my teeth if I turned it up.
Additionally, I sit in this very comfortable Office Master chair anytime I’m at my desk, would not want something sitting over it between my arse and the foam, or something I’d have to take off and put on anytime I want to game with haptic feedback. The Buttkicker cord is coiled (unplugged) under my chair, when I wanna use it, I just plug it into the other end hanging behind me. Ezy pzy.
Kindof expensive, but far less breakable than TIR, will last for 5-10 years easy. (my kit is ~7 yrs old now)
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@hoover said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Of course you’re correct about the long-term cost per day being ridiculously low in both cases, however that was not the point I was trying to make.
Just wanted to clarify that the higher build quality is not an issue for the camera itself. Other than that, it’s a Friday after a really shitty work week so let’s have some
@SemlerPDX said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
Buttkicker is way more powerful, and attaches to the pole under the chair, and translates the LFE to the entire chair & my body. This thing could chatter my teeth if I turned it up.
But only one point of contact vs the Jet Seat with 8 motors translating to 6 zones of vibration? I mean turning left has the left side vibrating, firing the gun just has some of the right side vibrating, and taxiing over the gaps in the taxiway and you’ll have vibrations first on the motors under your knee the under your butt… How does the Buttkicker do these things?
I do agree with you on the JetSeat stuff needing some improvements though. It’s actually my current project
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@Atlas said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
@SemlerPDX Just can’t help but promote your work eh??
Just kidding!! I cannot recommend this enough @efsixteenblock50!! Go get Voice Attack and try @SemlerPDX’s profile!@SemlerPDX said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
edit: also worth checking out, Buttkicker Gamer 2 and Andre’s SimShaker Wings software - he’s coded every event into “feels” down to the cracks in the taxiway, bumps on the tarmac, released stores, and even speedbrake - I don’t think I could go back to “looking” for the indicator to know if my speedbrake is open and/or how much.
Why Buttkicker instead of the JetSeat? And just as a weird question, has anyone tried both?
I have both a JetSeat and Buttkicker, plus some small “bass pucks” on side stick arm rest, throttle wall, 2 on center stick mount, 2 on the floorboard in front of my rudder pedals where my heels rest. This gives me zone like the JetSeat/JetPad with SimShaker Wings. I agree that I prefer the JetSest over the Buttkicker, I rarely turn it on. It’s hard to find a level on it that doesn’t drown out the smaller but important effects with SimShaker Wings. It ranks with my tactile feedback system in amount that I actually turn it on:
- JetSeat- only fly without if something is wrong
- Bass pucks- anytime I’m not just doing a quick causal flight/test
- 3rd Space Vest (specifically setup for ONLY Gs feedback)- BFM/ACM focused flight or maybe a serious A2G mission where I want to feel the specific edge right before I over G the stores
- Buttkicker- mostly just there for the experiment but built a special mount into my cockpit seat for it so it stays
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@Atlas said in Been Flying Allied Force for a Long Time...:
But only one point of contact vs the Jet Seat with 8 motors translating to 6 zones of vibration? I mean turning left has the left side vibrating, firing the gun just has some of the right side vibrating, and taxiing over the gaps in the taxiway and you’ll have vibrations first on the motors under your knee the under your butt… How does the Buttkicker do these things?
The “how” is easy: MAGIC!
And you may think I’m joking, but I am not. And I’m also not talking about mystical forces, but actual Magic principles that one would learn if they actively wanted to cease procreating with all humans and become a performer of this form of entertainment. “What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes” … it’s all about misdirection. For the layman, it boils down to “just tricks”… but they work.
There is no stereo with a single unit attached to a pole, yet still, with the physical feedback and the visible & audible stimulus from the simulation on the computer, the mind completes the picture. Let’s not discount Andre’s work in this regard: using LFE like this Buttkicker Gamer 2 with solely the LFE sound channel going to the amplifier, it’s just dumb vibrations that even Main Menu Music could trigger… but with SimShaker Wings, the difference between the former is like being a blind person who is suddenly able to see for the first time.