Hornet FM
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Glad to see i made at least one guy happy , because this whole F18 story is a sad one and believe me i have a very bitter taste in my mouth still
The whole carrier code with it’s dedicated specific ATC , real human voices, deck moving , arrestors , jet blast etc etc the F18 AMF and FLCS and specifics stuff have been developed when people inside BMS team were pushing hard to get a F18 , including possibly better cockpit and avionics.
Unfortunatly, that flame disappeared when DCS F18 went out, since most of those people left.
So basically, the F18 we have right now is unfinished and has been abandoned , however, i decided to complete the carrier code and maintain it, with the secret hope someone would make a SU33 cockpit and dedicated russian avionics some day
This is ****in sad story
I wonder if I-Hawk’s idea of making separate subclasses of avionics and possibly make them ‘open’ via some kind of API would bring more attention to Hornet. For sure there will be guys who would decide to invest their time and efforts to make Hornet better and better.
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Glad to see i made at least one guy happy , because this whole F18 story is a sad one and believe me i have a very bitter taste in my mouth still
I wouldn’t be too pessimistic about this. Looking into the forum you always see some F-18 and carrier dedicated questions. Sure, those Hornet nerds may have left, making it a bit more quiet in this direction. But I think very much people like to hop into another aircraft beside the F-16 from time to time. I don’t agree with Stevie if it’s not 100% correct it’s not worth touching it. Because of nostalgic feeling about the Hornet addon for F3.0 I fly campaigns from time to time in Hornets, Warthogs or Tornados before I return to the Viper. It’s one of the fun sides of the sim. And the Hornet and carriers are without a doubt the most sophisticated from this point of view.
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Always the same story. on Dev side 1 or 2, here, 10 or 20 (or even 100 - 200 on few thousands) … Lot and heavy efforts for a minority.
@Jp: Forget the Hornet for now. Lets finish the F-16, then … maybe press on the F-18, or the Su-27.
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then … maybe press on the F-18, or the Su-27.
… or the F-35 :yield::bolt: (I know, no documentation because classified)
EDIT: I think it is already a huge task to keep this sim up to date from a technical point of view and to alter avionics slowly into the real thing as information become available.
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…(I know, no documentation because classified)
No, not a issue of Docs this time. It is rather something else which more tied to the basic interest. We have a very good “high poly” 3D model finished at 95-97% for more than three years, and nobody care about finishing it. This got to be a sign.
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Always the same story. on Dev side 1 or 2, here, 10 or 20 (or even 100 - 200 on few thousands) … Lot and heavy efforts for a minority.
@Jp: Forget the Hornet for now. Lets finish the F-16, then … maybe press on the F-18, or the Su-27.
First of all thanks for all of you are given to us, I am agree with your last statement, first lets finish the Viper, but honestly, I am sure that most of the people are not requesting the Hornet updates or simply talking about it more, because they do not want to demand you more and more (at least in my case and I know few others in the same line), it just because of politeness we cannot feel in the position to request you more and more, whatever you are giving to us is more than welcome.
But I can tell you that to get an alive Hornet development and evolution is more than appreciate by this community, accurate FM and avionics…that’s a dream.
But please consider it as a wish, not a nonconformist bechaviour or not given value to the present work all of you are doing, we all are very happy with current BMS evolution, we have the feeling that it is still alive, and we love it. It is by far the best one. And maybe one day with its brother the Hornet.
Keep pushing.
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Maybe one day people will get tired with waiting for ED finish their Hornet and try to bring it to the best combat flight sim environment, namely BMS x.xx
Anyways, thanks for ongoing effort.
BTW having russian fighters in BMS simulated even at level of Lomac/Flamming Cliffs would eliminate form me last reason to try any of the ED sims.Just basic Mig29 a 9-12 and/or early Su-27 would do. -
with the secret hope someone would make a SU33 cockpit and dedicated russian avionics some day
It’s maybe a difficult question to answer, but how would someone go about creating the avionics without any access to source code or an API?
I mean, say someone was interested in such a project… what would be step one? Pseudocode examples to get sourcecode access, or something else?
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It’s maybe a difficult question to answer, but how would someone go about creating the avionics without any access to source code or an API?
I mean, say someone was interested in such a project… what would be step one? Pseudocode examples to get sourcecode access, or something else?
Exactly the reason why I brought I-Hawk’s idea to the table - it is just an amazing concept AND at the same time as potentially big and revolutionary feature as porting to DX9:
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But please consider it as a wish, not a nonconformist bechaviour or not given value to the present work all of you are doing, we all are very happy with current BMS evolution, we have the feeling that it is still alive, and we love it. It is by far the best one. And maybe one day with its brother the Hornet.
+1
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I mean, say someone was interested in such a project… what would be step one?
Step one: a VERY good functional 3D cockpit with all sources transferred. That is the very 1st step before considering anything else. Then … (?)
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Just basic Mig29 a 9-12 and/or early Su-27 would do.
But we HAVE a basic MiG-29 cockpit and it’s even CLICKABLE! Just jump into a MiG-29 squadron in campaign. Su-27 has none and uses the F-16 cockpit.
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I don’t want to derail the thread but pit is one thing and having radar/hud and other displays with proper modes/symbology is a bit different thing. But let’s end that here and focus on glorious Hornet :). Hell updated gfx/terrain and improved hornet could make at least some of folks move away from DCS to BMS. Because why fly half-baked a/c in empty environment when you can fly more complete one in rich/living world. Even if this aircraft is also not 100% complete.
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I don’t want to derail the thread but pit is one thing and having radar/hud and other displays with proper modes/symbology is a bit different thing. But let’s end that here and focus on glorious Hornet :). Hell updated gfx/terrain and improved hornet could make at least some of folks move away from DCS to BMS. Because why fly half-baked a/c in empty environment when you can fly more complete one in rich/living world. Even if this aircraft is also not 100% complete.
totally agree
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I wouldn’t even claim to want people to move from that sim to this sim. I love THAT sim. And I really love VR in THAT sim. BMS is the quiet corner of the library where I know I can study, learn and grow. That OTHER sim is the cookie jar at midnight. Sometimes growth be damned!—you just gotta have a cookie. In other words, one sim is my quick fix; a romp in the sandbox. The other is a longer term commitment which rewards me with a less ephemeral level of joy. I am too old to keep anticipating hoped-for improvements and “IFF”s. My commitment to the sim requires me to be satisfied with the bug in her current state and to be grateful for what I have.
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I don’t want to derail the thread but pit is one thing and having radar/hud and other displays with proper modes/symbology is a bit different thing. But let’s end that here and focus on glorious Hornet :). Hell updated gfx/terrain and improved hornet could make at least some of folks move away from DCS to BMS. Because why fly half-baked a/c in empty environment when you can fly more complete one in rich/living world. Even if this aircraft is also not 100% complete.
Ill say just that,
They will figure out everything in the end, we just need to be patient. -
@Smokin:
I love THAT sim. And I really love VR in THAT sim. BMS is the quiet corner of the library where I know I can study, learn and grow. That OTHER sim is the cookie jar at midnight.
Here you can name DCS no prob. You won’t have penalties.
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@Smokin:
I wouldn’t even claim to want people to move from that sim to this sim. I love THAT sim. And I really love VR in THAT sim. BMS is the quiet corner of the library where I know I can study, learn and grow. That OTHER sim is the cookie jar at midnight. Sometimes growth be damned!—you just gotta have a cookie. In other words, one sim is my quick fix; a romp in the sandbox. The other is a longer term commitment which rewards me with a less ephemeral level of joy. I am too old to keep anticipating hoped-for improvements and “IFF”s. My commitment to the sim requires me to be satisfied with the bug in her current state and to be grateful for what I have.
Let’s see what pans out once BMS will get updated GFX engine. It has a potential to unlock few new features, including VR headset support. At least this one was discussed. Future will tell which of those possibilities will ever come true.
@Dee-Jay, You’ve made me chuckle. Thanks man.
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I´m quite sure the future will bring “gone” people back to their lovely mother BMS… even if they don´t mention it… because BMS future is bright… and there will be no way the would not try and die for it.
In the other hand, the Hornet has man-machine-interface really “nasty” if you compare it with the Viper one. Programming it would be a TITANIC quest… but Remodelling-rearranging existing Viper displays into some sort of Hornet logic, could be “something” doable…
If the Coder is not in such mood to make such an effort, due to bad or “bitter taste” experience in the past, that´s legit and understandable… but as said… maybe putting a new “motivation” to add an enhanced Hornet into that bright future, could be what we all are dreaming of.
I´ve seen wonders from the BMS team… sometimes after a lot of endless hours/years of work… sometimes, after waking up “bored”… you never know with these GENIUS…
Keep them up… cheer them… share your enthusiasm on BMS… love and share your feelings… to every single detail, not only the obvious ones… (there are so many awesome details in our loved BMS that we don´t notice in a daily basis, you will get shocked)
For sure BMS will evolve… people talks about getting VR… new terrains… a Dynamic campaign (…err… no!.. that was the other…;) )… so KEEP HOPE ALIVE… and keep the HORNET along!!!
Thanks BMS!
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It’s fine as is. When the current Bug was released I was totally satisfied. The year or two of anticipation was well worth the wait. It feels correct, flies nicely and otherwise operates much like the F-16–even though it’s not really supposed to. I see that as a feature, not a bug. (You see wh… yeah, of course you did.) I mentioned VR a few posts up. That was not intended as a nudge. I actually like BMS in 2D. I can take notes and easily review them. And I hate a 3D GUI with a passion. Truly it is the worst part about DCS’s VR implementation. If I want to use the editor I have to revert to 2d and wait 10 minutes for the sim to reboot. So, from my perspective, if VR comes to BMS, great! But if not, equally great.