Are tanks sitting ducks in real life.
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Well, I think it’s much easier to kill tanks in Falcon.
Now imagine, that all those forest textures are actual forests with 10m high trees. And in between them there’s a road with column of tanks driving. Your mav’s would burn half of the trees but the probability of kill is small. Right now forests in falcon are just textures, “bold as a knee”.
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Yeap for Mav’s but lgb’s have better chance to nail it down. But on the otherhand if the forest is there nor radar nor tgp could lock the tank…
Unless u have ground Lansing or coordinates…
Also the terrain is rough so a high speed moving tank going in a ditch could avoid whatever…
But in cover up cases either u will have ground info or u wait for them to come out in the open and nail them… -
Problems IMO in bms are that most of pilots use “rambo” tactics (dropping down to low altiude etc.) while in gulf war min release alt. was 5000ft -but normally it was 10k+ ft.IRL there is no “DISCARD” option.Another problem is finding targets…with JSTARS deployed IRL you see bunch of radar contacts representing only moving targets(frendly,civilian,enemies), and in bms on the map I belive you can see actual units.There are no civilian units and all enemy units are in column…Tanks are much safer IRL but they completly depend on IADS.
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Problems IMO in bms are that most of pilots use “rambo” tactics (dropping down to low altiude etc.) while in gulf war min release alt. was 5000ft -but normally it was 10k+ ft.IRL there is no “DISCARD” option.
Yea in a non SA-x environment we would also go for 5000ft. But with SA-x’s all over the place u hit the dirt… Till now for me the best tactic. So Rambo says: “Mud Cammo on”… LOL
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Yeah BMS campaign tactics and strategy is also problematic…I remember that few years ago I played F4AF balkans campaign with manual ato…In first phase I destroyed all EWS radars, most of search radars(All flights were assigned with HARMs/agm130s/gbu15s-longer range), and then started SEAD(HARM and LGB only) …destroyed most of air defences and AAA.Serbian air force never posed a problem-and not even a single BLU107 was used in low level dangerous attacks-pointless when you are facing 12 mig29s.In the second phase I encountered very few SAMs and AAA.
When I let AI do the job in the same campaign same type of missions suddenly turned out very hard and dangerous.
I guess same goes for bms 4.32.
Anyway AI in falcon series is not properly judging what is more dangerous -aaa,sams or manpads/ground fire-Otherwise they woud never assign flight with blu107s against airfield defended only by AAA when you can fly at 24k ft(out of their range)and drop LGBs. -
now i am worried , my son is a loader in a tank
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Modern tank versions are normally well protected and can take some beating. Depends what he is sitting in, and where he is. Professionals know what they are doing, but the role of the tank has changed.
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Hammer1, where is your son? If he is in the U.S./western country’s tanks, he will be fine
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Explosive reactive armor helps out, plating helps out, funny angles help out, … more modern tanks aren’t as easy to kill as the sim wants you to think. If WWI or II era, that’s a different story.
Hammer1 - ca as in CANADA, Central Africa Republic or CALIFORNIA? Keep positive energy flowing out, and do your best not to dwell on the bad. If your son is in a modern tank I’d worry more about the smell of the crew that’s driving in it for days on end. That can’t be pretty. He’s better protected than someone in the open if the rounds start comming down.
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details of the M-1’s armor is classified
and for good reason
i have it on good authority that our tankers are… “well protected”
those guys are definitely in harm’s way - don’t misunderstand ---- but the M-1 has a lot of advantages on the battlefield
how many tanks have you heard about in iraq/afganistan? how many “other” vehicles
mm-hmm - thought so…
[[ oh wow… googled how many tanks have been destroyed in iraq - got this… [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_M1_Abrams
"Nearly all sources claim that no Abrams tank has ever been destroyed as a result of fire from an enemy tank, but some have certainly taken some damage which required extensive repair. "
heh! think the F-15C has a great combat record?? try the M-1!!
i think your son will be just fine senor hammer ]]
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Hammer1 - ca as in CANADA, Central Africa Republic or CALIFORNIA?.
-BabiteDana Point, California. Southern California, below Los Angeles: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Dana+Point,+CA/@33.5589822,-117.759233,10z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x80dcf08fba64fd89:0xe42eb4bc7001fa15
C9
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just north of camp pendleton
; )
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how many tanks have you heard about in iraq/afganistan? how many “other” vehicles
But how many of them had real battles and real enemies, not just victims? Same with F-15 in Iraq… if you just have victims and no real enemies it is easy to make a good markating Shooting down Mig that are running away is like Shooting guys in the back… that is nothing to be proud of…
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But how many of them had real battles and real enemies, not just victims? Same with F-15 in Iraq… if you just have victims and no real enemies it is easy to make a good markating Shooting down Mig that are running away is like Shooting guys in the back… that is nothing to be proud of…
I think if you suited up in a F-15 over Iraq during Desert Storm you would’n’t be saying that F-15s haven’t fought in any “real battles” :). Besides, most of the F-15 kills were by Israel anyway up close with AIM-9s/Pythons/Guns.
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I think if you suited up in a F-15 over Iraq during Desert Storm you would’n’t be saying that F-15s haven’t fought in any “real battles” :). Besides, most of the F-15 kills were by Israel anyway up close with AIM-9s/Pythons/Guns.
I doubt Iraqis had AWACS, thats a huge advantage Iraqis didnt have, plus a vast superiority in numbers. As far as air battles i think Vietnam and Falklands were far more balanced scenarios.
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But how many of them had real battles and real enemies, not just victims? Same with F-15 in Iraq… if you just have victims and no real enemies it is easy to make a good markating Shooting down Mig that are running away is like Shooting guys in the back… that is nothing to be proud of…
excuse me??
i think you misunderstood the reason for my post – the guy was saying his son was in tanks - i showed him a cool statistic about how not a single M-1 has been destroyed in battle
yes, we lose humvees and trucks etc to IEDs - but you never hear about a tank being hit ------ i’d say his son is gonna be alright
this isn’t about how much bigger ours is than theirs, ok?
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its not only about tank, but also about used amunition…IIRC Iraq had T-72, but without modern SABOT ammo…in such a scenario u need much more well placed hits - add better blue SA and air superiority, desert terrain (armor is nicely illuminated for flir after hot day, no clouds )…
Another thing is, where is the ammo stored. In abrams it is rather outside of main tank armor => better post penetration survival chance for crew, but someone said there is a risk for tank disabling even after well aimed higher-calibre machine gun or BVP cannon hit. In Eastern “T” series, ammo is stored inside, means harder to hit, but when hit no chance for crew (big boom and flying turrests) - cold war era approach…
BTW Try to find info about battles in Fallujah…even most modern Abrams were lost there …urban scenerio is very dangerous for tank, even with infantry support.
Higly populated, Eu type cover(biotop) scenario, Eu type weather (usually clouds) and well trained troops using cammo net masking(+foliage cover) = much higher chance for tank and much higher risk especialy for Gunships (manpads see the heli, but heli cant see them all)
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Check Liveleak.com threads Ukraine and Syria for Russian tank type vulnerability and urban tank operations,
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i know it……did not say T series is better in my post