Realiable sources about BMS realism
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here’s my limited feedback:
My friend has a F-16 simulator, which he takes to air shows, for the public to try on for size.
He runs BMS 4.33.1OMG. I’d want my 10 bucks back. haha.
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This guy hasn’t realised yet that this is a religion community forum.
Word
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Performance charts are available here :
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For your engineer friend (the airliner pilot won’t probably understand a single line or page! ) the NASA TP1538 used by MavJp to create BMS’s FM. : https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19800005879.pdf
… IMHO you won’t find any other better “proves”.
As explained in one of my article about FM , this is the source of the NASA flcs that I used first (( as explained the NASA one is 99% identical to the real except it does not include LG gains and wow gains) and that is used for mirage 2k for instance) , but then after I found the real flcs logic diagram so I updated it
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Performance charts are available here :
Bloody Hell !!! are there really people in THIS planet who understand all this stuff ???
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Bloody Hell !!! are there really people in THIS planet who understand all this stuff ???
Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
NASA tp1538 is more interesting , more engineering orientated
The documents I used for LCO simulation are even more interesting
Dowell, E. H., Thomas, J. P., Hall, K. C., and Denegri, C. M., Jr., “Theoretical Predictions of F-16 Fighter Limit Cycle Oscillations for Flight Flutter Testing,” Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 46, No. 5, 2009, pp. 1667-1672.
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What I want is a relliable source or a way for the end user to testify all those claims.
Why don’t you turn this around? If your airline pilot friend and aeronautical engineer friend are so knowledgeable, let them proof BMS wrong.
You don’t have to waste your precious time defending BMS. You know it’s as accurate as accurate can be on a desktop PC. You have nothing to prove. If someone doubts BMS, let them provide evidence as to where BMS isn’t accurate.
And while they are trying to figure that out, you just get airborne and waste some bandits. -
Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
NASA tp1538 is more interesting , more engineering orientated
The documents I used for LCO simulation are even more interesting
Dowell, E. H., Thomas, J. P., Hall, K. C., and Denegri, C. M., Jr., “Theoretical Predictions of F-16 Fighter Limit Cycle Oscillations for Flight Flutter Testing,” Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 46, No. 5, 2009, pp. 1667-1672.
Usual abstract/first page teaser, right? Hesitating to get frustratingly hooked by the first page…
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Too late :). But the first page already contains a side-interest, so to speak, as it emphasizes on the point of simulation to determine a part of the F16’s behavior… Actually that may be what you wanted us to read.
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Bloody Hell !!! are there really people in THIS planet who understand all this stuff ???
Viperdrivers are required to memorize this manual!
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That I’m a guy??
Didn’t you get the photos I sent you?
That wasn’t a python I was holding. Haha.And here i thought i was the only special one to get these pictures……
I feel sk cheap now [emoji12]
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Too easy …
There are at least four F-16 pilots on the forum, two F-18 pilots, one F-15 … one EF2000.
Oh my God! Did you see the flash of Benchmarksim forever. That was awesome. That makes me even prouder to be at aleast associated with this amazing sim family.
The flashing of Benchmarksim forever just blew me away.
Thanks for sharing Dee jay and certainly that video would go into my personal archive.Saluting here again all the great guys behind the coding and all works that has sustained this sim.
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That I’m a guy??
Didn’t you get the photos I sent you?
That wasn’t a python I was holding. Haha.Yanking and Banking?
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name, rank ,serial number …. and most cant get the first question right
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Why don’t you turn this around? If your airline pilot friend and aeronautical engineer friend are so knowledgeable, let them proof BMS wrong.
You don’t have to waste your precious time defending BMS. You know it’s as accurate as accurate can be on a desktop PC. You have nothing to prove. If someone doubts BMS, let them provide evidence as to where BMS isn’t accurate.
And while they are trying to figure that out, you just get airborne and waste some bandits.Well, who makes a claims has to proof it, it is the classical burden of proof thing. They are just doubting it. They are more sceptical then doubtful actually. The pilot knows Falcon 4.0, but stopped there. He knows it’s pretty good, but don’t thing it’s THIS good. But so far this thread gave me a lot of info. Those papers and manuals were what I was looking for!
My engineer friend said, for instance, that real flutter test on this types of aircraft are very secretive and doubted that BMS developers had access to real data. But Mav-jp gave me exactly this (below)! As the title says, it’s a theorical prediction, but I doubt that would be far from the test data. He knows to trust simulation data (when well done) as he works with it.
Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
NASA tp1538 is more interesting , more engineering orientated
The documents I used for LCO simulation are even more interesting
Dowell, E. H., Thomas, J. P., Hall, K. C., and Denegri, C. M., Jr., “Theoretical Predictions of F-16 Fighter Limit Cycle Oscillations for Flight Flutter Testing,” Journal of Aircraft, Vol. 46, No. 5, 2009, pp. 1667-1672.
BTW, Thanks a lot for this Mav-jp!
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Background on aeroelasticity in general…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroelasticity
This is actually a pretty nice little story on LCO…F-16 example, I can only assume the “folding wing” mentioned is an F/A-18…but that’s just my guess…
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Bloody Hell !!! are there really people in THIS planet who understand all this stuff ???
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Well this one is pretty basics because this is supposed to be read by pilots (end user style)
Jp is correct. This is one of the first things to know how to use (a/c performances).
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Too easy …
There are at least four F-16 pilots on the forum, two F-18 pilots, one F-15 … one EF2000.
And what Dee-Jay don’t tell us is that there are some F-16 pilots in BMS developpement team !
During summer 2013 I meet one in Florennes in the 1Sqn, he was Captain, now he’s Commander. In operationals missions
of course he hasn’t the time to play, he works,imagine where…By all mean if there are some MINOR differences whith real
F-16,it’s not so important since there are some differences between F-16 versions!!!
Even the use of the IFF is not so secret,what is secret is the actual code which is changed multiple time a day.
Ah if we could have that in sim!