What if: Falcon 5 (Poll)
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Interesting Sim , I wonder if the DCS fanboys will complain about the very 90s graphics? they do so already with BMS, Yet BMS surpasses the graphics of the Original F4 by at least a decade, Fact i say it on a par with the Original LOMAC, They must shit in their eyes
Who knows (cares) what the those DCSnowflakes will say. Pixel for pixel, I personally feel that ArmA III is a much better sim than DCS ever is! If ArmA only was able to improve on its flight modeling it would beat DCS hands down! As for Tiny Combat Arena, I’ll buy it just cuz it looks like a fun little time-waster & I don’t need a machine with 32 GB of RAM to fly it.
EDIT: Not sure anyone has noticed, (& not to high-jack the subject) but MicroProse also has gone old-school by re-publishing old games titles through Steam. You’ll find fun time-wasters like Gunship, F-19, F-117 & 1942.
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Who knows (cares) what the those DCSnowflakes will say.
Oh i also don`t Care just making a flippant remark at their bizarre logic …for me I always appreciate the Flat Shaded Graphics look i Love A10 Cuba for it although it had no Dynamic campaign it was good and accurate (also Difficult) and had a lot of attention to detail
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Another reason for sure would be cultural-political. In the early 90s, the Gulf War and the overwhelming role of its air campaign spurred a huge interest in flight-simming. To a lesser degree, Norther/Southern Watch and the Balkan interventions kept that interest going to a lesser degree. After 9/11 though, the ways the new wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were fought changed, putting more emphasis on boots on the ground. Hence the rise of the military shooters.
I’m reasonably sure that if tensions with Russia and/or China continue to rise, or another air campaign focused war kicked off, interest in flight-simming would also increase again. If that’s something one should wish for is another debate that probably has no place here.
That is probably part of it, but the main issue on lack of sims like all those we had in the 90s, complexity of producing a combat flight sim has increased exponentially. It is no longer a money maker, unless you charge DCS level prices.
To see the modern level of software development complexity that is probably on par with those 90s sims, you have the games of VTOL VR and Project Wingman. You used to be able to model far less systems back then and could still have it be a “study” sim.
EDIT: Not sure anyone has noticed, (& not to high-jack the subject) but MicroProse also has gone old-school by re-publishing old games titles through Steam. You’ll find fun time-wasters like Gunship, F-19, F-117 & 1942.
Look a little closer there is the “Developer” and “Publisher” on Steam, I think all of those old titles are ones that current MicroProse does not own any IP rights to. The publisher for most of those is Retroism, also involved in the Falcon 4.0 IP with Billionsoft. You have been able to purchase those games for a long time via Retroism on retro gaming sites like GoG. I doubt current MicroProse is making a dime off any of those titles.
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I believe MP will do a military sandbox on par with ARMA using TitanIM. I believe that has been the goal all along and the reason they guy bought MP in the first place. Now he is rebuilding a consumer publisher releasing their current titles. I dont think a Falcon 5.0 is in the cards. But I have had fun with their social media person tagging them in BMS content.
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If they ever do a Falcon 5.0, then it will be “buggy” at first.
After a few fixes released, MP see that further work will be to expensive
and will close the doors on this project, … coders and devs will get fired short before xmas.But coders and devs heart is with this project and they know there is lot of potential
in this sim, once fixed and polished.So one of the coders will leak the Falcon 5.0 source code to the puplic.
Next the community will pick it up and start to work on it …
Cheers, :yo:
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If they ever do a Falcon 5.0, then it will be “buggy” at first.
After a few fixes released, MP see that further work will be to expensive
and will close the doors on this project, … coders and devs will get fired short before xmas.But coders and devs heart is with this project and they know there is lot of potential
in this sim, once fixed and polished.So one of the coders will leak the Falcon 5.0 source code to the puplic.
Next the community will pick it up and start to work on it …
Cheers, :yo:
LSLOL
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Love that comment however this would be true if it was the 90s .nowadays it will be a constant connection to the server even on Single player, It will be buggy but they will make the buggy world free to play with a SFM non appropriate aircraft and ton of SPAM ADs to upgrade to a Bug fixed Module , Add on Early access modules will sort some of the bugs but you wont get some of the systems modeled and a plethora of other unfinished Modules to choose from.
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Love that comment however this would be true if it was the 90s .nowadays it will be a constant connection to the server even on Single player it will be buggy but they will make the buggy world free to play with a SFM non appropriate aircraft and ton of SPAM ADs to upgrade to a Bug fixed Module , Add on Early access modules will sort some of the bugs but you wont get some of the systems modeled and a plethora of other unfinished Modules to choose from.
So you are saying ED is buying Microprose?
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LOL hope not ,but their (ED) Biz model got suckers to keep paying for lazy development
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I think, the only chance to be a Falcon 5 if MP would buy the right from F4BMS owner and they release the BMS next update like F5. Because MP is now just a publisher and not developer.
But at the moment the MP just publish very old school games nothing cutting edge games.
Maybe this will be:
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Personally, I agreeded with almost all the fellows’ good points before.
My humble opinion: in short, WHAT? No one can’t be serious here.
With best regards.
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I think, the only chance to be a Falcon 5 if MP would buy the right from F4BMS owner and they release the BMS next update like F5. Because MP is now just a publisher and not developer.
But at the moment the MP just publish very old school games nothing cutting edge games.
Maybe this will be:
https://www.microprose.com/games/the-mighty-eighth/It was in fact tried already - MP “tried to buy us”, not the product (Which isn’t for sale, either) but “us”. But we aren’t up for sale… they don’t have enough money to pay us ROFL.
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It was in fact tried already - MP “tried to buy us”, not the product (Which isn’t for sale, either) but “us”. But we aren’t up for sale… they don’t have enough money to pay us ROFL.
Interesting, but honestly hardly surprising. I mean, if you’re MP and want to get back into this and needed Dev’s, where else would they go?
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… though at some point the Viper itself is going to appear outdated.
Yet WW1 and WW2 flight sims still have dedicated user-bases. Form is temporary, Class is permanent. Ergo, F-16 Falcon will remain permanently is peoples hearts.
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Yet WW1 and WW2 flight sims still have dedicated user-bases. Form is temporary, Class is permanent. Ergo, F-16 Falcon will remain permanently is peoples hearts.
Probably. Especially if BMS continues - I have a feeling there will never be another desktop sim as comprehensive as the Falcon 4.0, FAF, or BMS F-16. Vipers always!
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My dream Falcon 5 would be a simulator with major quality modern pilotable aircraft, on a full earth theater and not only F-16.
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Love that comment however this would be true if it was the 90s .nowadays it will be a constant connection to the server even on Single player, It will be buggy but they will make the buggy world free to play with a SFM non appropriate aircraft and ton of SPAM ADs to upgrade to a Bug fixed Module , Add on Early access modules will sort some of the bugs but you wont get some of the systems modeled and a plethora of other unfinished Modules to choose from.
To be devil’s advocate here, it took years for Falcon to become stable even at the end of the golden age of flight sims, and a lot of that development was done for free by the community. Yes, ED makes you pay and pay, but most of those modules would have been stand alone sims in the 90s, which 1998’s $50USD of those titles new would be $80 in today’s money and Falcon was far from done when released. Unfortunately, I think if you don’t what to follow the stupid subscription model, EDs model is the only way a developer can get enough income to make it work. Yes, they overpromise and underdeliver in their EA stages (and somewhat even so with finished products). But as I-Hawk infers, most software companies can’t afford it and even then they are going to not make enough profit in the long run to make it worth it.
We are so lucky that the source code got leaked so long ago and then to have a dedicated community to first make it as envisioned when first released and then take it beyond our dreams.
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My dream Falcon 5 would be a simulator with major quality modern pilotable aircraft, on a full earth theater and not only F-16.
.For me also, I would like a full globe theater with most flyable aircraft on it. Like an MS2020 just with full military capable.
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Big Graphic / Sound Update. Falcon doesn’t need to be DCS Just pushed to it’s visual limit and I’m happy
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For me also, I would like a full globe theater with most flyable aircraft on it. Like an MS2020 just with full military capable.
I think this is most probably the only way forward - add-ons to MSFS 2020. For one, I know that Micro-$$$ had help from MCAIR in developing it’s original Hornet model for MSFS, so they have something decent to start with. The basics are certainly there, but I think it would be up to a third party to bring a tactical add-on - the VRS F/A-18F and TAC Pac combination for MSFS 2020 appear to be the most promising, but is starting to feel like it’s fallen behind schedule. I know I’m certainly looking forward to it, as I already have their F/A-18E for the older MSFS and have to say it’s pretty well done.