Weasel
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Repeat after me: HARMs don’t kill SAMs.
They only temporarily suppress the site, leaving it as a future problem.
Real USAF Weaseler Dam Hampton insists to kill SAMs, you need to get down into their chilli with clusters and the gun.
This is how I do it.
BTW Hamptons book, Viper Pilot, is required reading!
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Repeat after me: HARMs don’t kill SAMs.
They only temporarily suppress the site, leaving it as a future problem.
Real USAF Weaseler Dam Hampton insists to kill SAMs, you need to get down into their chilli with clusters and the gun.
This is how I do it.
BTW Hamptons book, Viper Pilot, is required reading!
LOL I know :D. Suppression is what I meant. Forming tactics is the fun part. I’d be guilty of a war crime if I didn’t have fun with 'em first.
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@Jp: Don’t speak too much … you will SPOIL them!
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This is even more enjoyable in multiplayer, with human pilots taking turns being the bait (aka Hunter-Killer) and works just as well with other weapons on older systems.
For newer systems with longer range you’ll have to be sneaky, but as terrain-masking against enemy SAM radars now works reliably (
) you have more options, including popup attacks using buddy-lasing. Sneak up on that SA-11 behind cover, popup and release, dive down behind that hill quickly to defeat the missiles fired at you by breaking the radar line of sight and let your wingman lase the target for your bomb from outside the SAM WEZ. Challenging, but very addictive -
Reading this thread I have a few thoughts:
- First I think it’s really good the HARM PK got lowered. That said, I am fairly certain that the HARM goes ballistic on the emitter location or position selected (Whichever is available). Wouldn’t that still result in a damaged or destroyed radar unless it moves if you have a high confidence shot?
- A major capability of Russian SAMs since the mid 80s is shooting down and detecting missiles in the air. Obviously that’s not modeled in BMS… so it sort of averages out against my first point.
- I’m very happy NOE flying is improved! As a NOE and wild weasel fanboy, this will make flying more challenging but also fun. It was a bit demoralizing in Israel being shot through mountains. Is that resolved?
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Reading this thread I have a few thoughts:
- First I think it’s really good the HARM PK got lowered. That said, I am fairly certain that the HARM goes ballistic on the emitter location or position selected (Whichever is available). Wouldn’t that still result in a damaged or destroyed radar unless it moves if you have a high confidence shot?
- A major capability of Russian SAMs since the mid 80s is shooting down and detecting missiles in the air. Obviously that’s not modeled in BMS… so it sort of averages out against my first point.
- I’m very happy NOE flying is improved! As a NOE and wild weasel fanboy, this will make flying more challenging but also fun. It was a bit demoralizing in Israel being shot through mountains. Is that resolved?
It goes not ballistic but last known position and relies on its INS deviation
We modeled this so if he lock is lost far away ins deviation will make it miss from more than if lock is lost closer
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Only D and later models of AGM-88 can use INS or GPS for targeting. Earlier models use INS only for navigation to the point where homing begins.
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Repeat after me: HARMs don’t kill SAMs.
They only temporarily suppress the site, leaving it as a future problem.
Real USAF Weaseler Dam Hampton insists to kill SAMs, you need to get down into their chilli with clusters and the gun.
This is how I do it.
Except if you are an Israeli pilot flying an Israeli beast Viper (Sufa, Barak).
Then all SAM’s are killed, no matter the type.
(And IAF does not even have SEAD weapons in it arsenal.)
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Except if you are an Israeli pilot flying an Israeli beast Viper (Sufa, Barak).
Then all SAM’s are killed, no matter the type.
(And IAF does not even have SEAD weapons in it arsenal.)
What is not friend, being in flight slaughter, and destroys soil.
The guys are good !!!
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How can Israel be “immune” to S-300 ??
FAI maintained superior air superiority to its rivals, demonstrating a high performance in combat.
Watch, this video, please set the subtitles, for your language, because the audio is in Portuguese.
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Repeat after me: HARMs don’t kill SAMs.
They only temporarily suppress the site, leaving it as a future problem.
Real USAF Weaseler Dam Hampton insists to kill SAMs, you need to get down into their chilli with clusters and the gun.
This is how I do it.
BTW Hamptons book, Viper Pilot, is required reading!
learning about towed jammers was awesome. felt like a kid learning forbidden knowledge. wonder if we will ever get that! (wink, wink)
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How can Israel be “immune” to S-300 ??
FAI maintained superior air superiority to its rivals, demonstrating a high performance in combat.
Watch, this video, please set the subtitles, for your language, because the audio is in Portuguese.
Link:Interesting video, and great footage also. But mostly I was interested in my ability to understand Portuguese, as I just came back from Portugal haha.
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I red they used supersonic Rampage missile (4x per single F16) + of course terrain coverage and perhaps even Russians love them in real :mrgreen:
https://defence-blog.com/news/israel-reportedly-used-new-supersonic-rampage-missiles-during-airstrikes-in-syria.html
http://www.imisystems.com/cwsd.php?Z3AuPTQ0Pg/ND0/VkReX0VCQyt-YGM.pdf
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3610477.html
(have not seen your vid yet)In purely technical POV terrain plays crucial role in this theater imo.
They even do not need to enter Syrian airspace (the same with subsonic Delilah). -
Interesting video, and great footage also. But mostly I was interested in my ability to understand Portuguese, as I just came back from Portugal haha.
Portuguese spoken in Brazil is slightly different from the one spoken in Portugal.
The audio is in Portugues do Brazil !!! -
Mower is right when I fly a dead mission with more than one wing man I load myself and # 2 with harms and after I know the radar is gone I send # 3 in loaded with cluster bombs
95 % of the time in the debrief It shows he did a fine job. -
I red they used supersonic Rampage missile (4x per single F16) + of course terrain coverage and perhaps even Russians love them in real :mrgreen:
https://defence-blog.com/news/israel-reportedly-used-new-supersonic-rampage-missiles-during-airstrikes-in-syria.html
http://www.imisystems.com/cwsd.php?Z3AuPTQ0Pg/ND0/VkReX0VCQyt-YGM.pdf
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3610477.html
(have not seen your vid yet)In purely technical POV terrain plays crucial role in this theater imo.
They even do not need to enter Syrian airspace (the same with subsonic Delilah).For some strikes they don’t have to leave Israel aerospace, but not for all. For example, strike in the vicinity of Allepo at the end of March definitely required Syrian aerospace penetration and flying inside of S-300 and 400 MEZ.
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TIP:
When we say onboard JAMMER / jamming, we mean the trail aircraft cannot see the front aft from very very close……
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Repeat after me: HARMs don’t kill SAMs.
They only temporarily suppress the site, leaving it as a future problem.
Real USAF Weaseler Dam Hampton insists to kill SAMs, you need to get down into their chilli with clusters and the gun.
This is how I do it.
BTW Hamptons book, Viper Pilot, is required reading!
Even Hampton said it is weaseling. Read the “The Elephant” chapter. He said it about his lead as one of the strikers had to re-attack the airfield.
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and believe me there is not HACK trick, they dont know you fired …but they assume from your movement that you might have fired , so if you turn back, they know you fired ;)…if you leave their area of range, they shut down since they know they cant get you
in short, for them to continue to light you, you must be somwhere where they can probably fire at you as well …but you have an advantage, some systems are slower than others
have fun with Wild weasel
Does that mean that if you turn back but do not fire any HARMs, they would still turn off their radar?
Or that if you fire HARMs and do not turn back, the SAMs would continue to ping on you?
In other words, us your movement the only factor that affect the choice of SAMs? If not what other factors are there?
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Does that mean that if you turn back but do not fire any HARMs, they would still turn off their radar?
Or that if you fire HARMs and do not turn back, the SAMs would continue to ping on you?
In other words, us your movement the only factor that affect the choice of SAMs? If not what other factors are there?
Discover by yourself, if we give you all the keys, no more fun