What's up with those rumors
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I think you are comparing a bit of Apples and Oranges. Maybe you think Doom and ARMA can be compared but maybe they can’t, actually. The ARMA scene seem much more “reach” to my eyes. The Doom scenes you showed mostly have dark background, a few effects and some 3D models. I never played ARMA and last I played Doom was when I was 15 or so so I’m not really familiar with the overall GFX, But it seems like 2 very different animals. Also, there is a possibility that the ARMA engine is less efficient, regardless of API.
And… comparing ARMA to BMS is Apples to Potatoes maybe
It’s not really about API but could be many reasons why there is a difference between game engines. I know it’s popular to think today that Vulkan is the savior but look for example at this video, you will see that Vulkan and DX12 are pretty close:
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About transition to win10.
Well we will have to go that road sooner or later.
As I see it now it’s the key milestone.
I vote to do the transition now and benefit on the longterm.
I hate going from win7 to win10 but since it will be for the benefit of it overall HELL YEA.
oopppss Sorry I-Hawk.I took the plunge recently after buying new hardware. I was very cynical about it at first, but after a couple days to find my way around the changes to the UI I have to confess I am enjoying the Win10 experience and, grudgingly, even coming to admire Win10. I would even recommend it!
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I took the plunge recently after buying new hardware. I was very cynical about it at first, but after a couple days to find my way around the changes to the UI I have to confess I am enjoying the Win10 experience and, grudgingly, even coming to admire Win10. I would even recommend it!
Windows 10 is simply the best operating system ever, at least for desktop, period.
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well for the rest there is no harm in testing those DX to Vulkan Wrappers …Currently i have had good results with D9VK on the Early COD MW.2.3.4 series…doesnt work of BMS unfortunatelu it crashes
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BMS 5.0 = Win10 + DX12, I can feel it… :twisted:
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Windows 10 is simply the best operating system ever, at least for desktop, period.
Well, I don’t have enough objective knowledge to deny that, but can you explain why so many people (even here, on these fora!) had to revert to a previous release after some Win10 updates?
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Another plus here for W10, runs bms and all i need without issue.
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Well, I don’t have enough objective knowledge to deny that, but can you explain why so many people (even here, on these fora!) had to revert to a previous release after some Win10 updates?
This has been going on since Window’s (horrible) debut. Updates break stuff, they test for 1 million applications but there are always another 1 million they don’t test for. Graphic driver updates break things, sound driver updates break things. Seldom is there no workaround to fix it, including rolling back to a previous update or driver version. Other than loss of support for some printers/peripherals Win10 is superior to any previous version and will be the OS to use for the near future… no use holding back.
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Windows 10 is simply the best operating system ever, at least for desktop, period.
I’ll have to link that post for the date when MS announces that win10 is now available through a monthly subscription only. (A few years down the road still, but inevitable in MNSHO)
Also please remember that quite a few folks have had their carefully tuned setups blasted to bits by the forced auto-updates. I’d be very miffed if that would happen to my deskpit; must be even worse for the guys and gals running full-blown cockpits.
Linux desktops have improved in leaps and bounds over the last couple of years, BMS runs nicely on it using WINE (or at least did so until 4.34 which seems to have a few issues). Would be a match made in heaven: A sim fueled by passion running on a free / libre operating system also fueled by passion with a few big enterprise players (microsoft?) thrown in, with official support from the devs, and hopefully on a true cross platform API like Vulkan (one may dream :))
I don’t want to turn this into yet another windows vs. Linux debate. Technical merits aside, win10 still has many huge question marks hovering about it w/r to privacy & telemetry settings and the question who is actually “owning” the hardware you run it on. It’s been discussed here quite a few times and I was going to sit this one out here in this thread, but after your post I thought the other side of the scale could use some additional weight
All the best,
Uwe
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BMS 5.0 = Win10 + DX12, I can feel it… :twisted:
Where’s my downvote button?
All the best, Uwe
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Where’s my downvote button?
All the best, Uwe
Be sure you have the latest WINE (4.17) some changes:
New version of the Mono engine with upstream fixes.
Support for DXTn compressed textures.
Initial version of the Windows Script runtime library.
Support for XRandR device change notifications.
Support for generating RSA keys.
Stubless proxies support on ARM64.
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I got it. Come on, just let’s finish it:
MS 5.0 = Win 10 AND Linux AND Mac, with everything else you like.
Does it fit for you this way? :lol:
With best laughing regards to all.
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BMS 5.0 = Win10 + DX12, I can feel it… :twisted:
BMS 4.32 > BMS4.33 > BMS4.34 > …
BMS5.0 will be Win31 and DX108!
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Well, I don’t have enough objective knowledge to deny that, but can you explain why so many people (even here, on these fora!) had to revert to a previous release after some Win10 updates?
I have no idea. I have had 0 issues with Windows 10 and I am using it since late 2015.
I’ll have to link that post for the date when MS announces that win10 is now available through a monthly subscription only. (A few years down the road still, but inevitable in MNSHO)
Also please remember that quite a few folks have had their carefully tuned setups blasted to bits by the forced auto-updates. I’d be very miffed if that would happen to my deskpit; must be even worse for the guys and gals running full-blown cockpits.
Linux desktops have improved in leaps and bounds over the last couple of years, BMS runs nicely on it using WINE (or at least did so until 4.34 which seems to have a few issues). Would be a match made in heaven: A sim fueled by passion running on a free / libre operating system also fueled by passion with a few big enterprise players (microsoft?) thrown in, with official support from the devs, and hopefully on a true cross platform API like Vulkan (one may dream :))
I don’t want to turn this into yet another windows vs. Linux debate. Technical merits aside, win10 still has many huge question marks hovering about it w/r to privacy & telemetry settings and the question who is actually “owning” the hardware you run it on. It’s been discussed here quite a few times and I was going to sit this one out here in this thread, but after your post I thought the other side of the scale could use some additional weight
All the best,
Uwe
Yes, that’s possible that Windows 10 (or 11) will be available as SaaS one day (I don’t like this idea at all).
Yes, they are things that I don’t like in Windows in general (like C:/Users/ <username>directory that was introduced in MS Windows Vista IIRC, fortunatelly there is workaround for this).
I am not going to criticize Linux cause Linux is kernel to me. It’s good. Even better it is for free. But Linux distros are another story. I am AIX and Linux sysadmin with several years of exp., I have few RH certs including RHCE, and I have to say that RHEL/Fedora/CentOS is a trash bin, especially after introducing systemd. Ubuntu is better, but still you have to struggle to accomplish even simple things. Only SLES and OpenSuse are kind of mature operating systems, mostly because they have YAST (but YAST is still worse than Windows Control Panel and not comparable to AIX SMIT).
Maintnance is a joke - left system running under normal user administration and you will end up with cluster**** - /boot 100% full, often not possible to remove old kernels with ‘tools’ like yum or apt.
Update/upgrade is a joke. - even Windows has some kind of restoration point like Windows.old directory (never need to use that though). I don’t dream about AIX features like alt_disk or multibos, but I will consider as plus everything else than 'run yum upgrade and pray".But what I like about Windows 10? It’s rock solid - literally 0 CTD since August 2016 - but honestly, I do not see ability of uptime of 1800+ days as plus, it is consistent (but could be better, hopefully one day all tools and menus will become ‘modern’) and almost idiot-proof. I have not had any problems with any of Spring and Fall updates (unfortuantelly I cannot say the same about updating my home OpenSUSE or Ubuntu or CentOS). Regarding telemetry, I used this setting:
• Basic diagnostic data is information about your device, its settings and capabilities, and whether it is performing properly. This is the minimum level of diagnostic data needed to help keep your device reliable, secure, and operating normally.
and I couldn’t care less :-)</username>
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I have no idea. I have had 0 issues with Windows 10 and I am using it since late 2015.
Yes, that’s possible that Windows 10 (or 11) will be available as SaaS one day (I don’t like this idea at all).
Yes, they are things that I don’t like in Windows in general (like C:/Users/ <username>directory that was introduced in MS Windows Vista IIRC, fortunatelly there is workaround for this).
I am not going to criticize Linux cause Linux is kernel to me. It’s good. Even better it is for free. But Linux distros are another story. I am AIX and Linux sysadmin with several years of exp., I have few RH certs including RHCE, and I have to say that RHEL/Fedora/CentOS is a trash bin, especially after introducing systemd. Ubuntu is better, but still you have to struggle to accomplish even simple things. Only SLES and OpenSuse are kind of mature operating systems, mostly because they have YAST (but YAST is still worse than Windows Control Panel and not comparable to AIX SMIT).
Maintnance is a joke - left system running under normal user administration and you will end up with cluster**** - /boot 100% full, often not possible to remove old kernels with ‘tools’ like yum or apt.
Update/upgrade is a joke. - even Windows has some kind of restoration point like Windows.old directory (never need to use that though). I don’t dream about AIX features like alt_disk or multibos, but I will consider as plus everything else than 'run yum upgrade and pray".But what I like about Windows 10? It’s rock solid - literally 0 CTD since August 2016 - but honestly, I do not see ability of uptime of 1800+ days as plus, it is consistent (but could be better, hopefully one day all tools and menus will become ‘modern’) and almost idiot-proof. I have not had any problems with any of Spring and Fall updates (unfortuantelly I cannot say the same about updating my home OpenSUSE or Ubuntu or CentOS). Regarding telemetry, I used this setting:
• Basic diagnostic data is information about your device, its settings and capabilities, and whether it is performing properly. This is the minimum level of diagnostic data needed to help keep your device reliable, secure, and operating normally.
and I couldn’t care less :-)</username>
if the next release is only for Win!0 i can assure you 50% of BMS user will stick with 4.34 and there will be a demand of the source code and a new fork will continue…
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if the next release is only for Win!0 i can assure you 50% of BMS user will stick with 4.34 and there will be a demand of the source code and a new fork will continue…
Right, because BMS users are too smart to upgrade and be taken in by that Win10 trap!!
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Right, because BMS users are too smart to upgrade and be taken in by that Win10 trap!!
True. And, if BMS does go the route of DX 11 or 12, and all of those posters that want better GFX will get it. Then complain that they don’t want to upgrade there OS? Can’t have it both ways here. DX 9.0c can only do so much. Plus, I-Hawk has mentioned that DX 9.0c is a resource pig. So, If you want better GFX, be prepared to upgrade your system to take advantage of what we have been discussing. But again, this is only if BMS decides to go with DX 11 or 12 API’s.
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Right, because BMS users are too smart to upgrade and be taken in by that Win10 trap!!
Hmm. Only company that do not declare their products as alpha/beta state when they start selling those with hard bs.
Win10 seems to matured enought and I have seen no problems with it now. I’ve used win7 as long as I can but win10 was only option for my new comp.
I just not understand that ms is trying to fix things that were not broken in older system with their new “inventions that saves world and cut your work to half” and reality is that I downloaded programs to fix those bugs they created.
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I think you are comparing a bit of Apples and Oranges. Maybe you think Doom and ARMA can be compared but maybe they can’t, actually. The ARMA scene seem much more “reach” to my eyes. The Doom scenes you showed mostly have dark background, a few effects and some 3D models. I never played ARMA and last I played Doom was when I was 15 or so so I’m not really familiar with the overall GFX, But it seems like 2 very different animals. Also, there is a possibility that the ARMA engine is less efficient, regardless of API.
And… comparing ARMA to BMS is Apples to Potatoes maybe
It’s not really about API but could be many reasons why there is a difference between game engines. I know it’s popular to think today that Vulkan is the savior but look for example at this video, you will see that Vulkan and DX12 are pretty close:But yeah, as I’ve said… with DX11 as worst (besides unoptimized DX9)… in AVG frames and Vulkan - BEST.
So… What’s wrong with Vulkan? Too fast – It’s not about the game…doom/arma/bms… but possibility of gfx engine to ‘do the math’ and to do it FAST on gpu, so, about the speed of gfx engine .
Same sh** with programming , do the math in VB or C++ … which one compiles/run faster ? You get my drift.
It’s not ‘a blind guess’ of DCS that drives them to same conclusion… fix the graphics, raise enjoyable experience - get playability, … Win win situation. (well… fix bugs, that is)
So , i’m not comparing games , but possibility to run max details on different engines … (I’ll see if I can dig up some bench soft which includes all tech DX9/11/12/Ogl/Vulkan)
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I don’t know enough about DX11 or DX12 to say which should be used. I mean, one would think DX12 would be the better goal, just by the fact 12 is a higher number than 11. But I leave that to the people who know what they’re doing.
With extended support for Windows 7 ending in in 3 months (January 14, 2020), meaning no more updates or security patches, I would have no problem with a move that required Windows 10.